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By KEVIN ABOUREZK / Lincoln Journal Star

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 - 12:47:25 am CST

Those greasy-looking stripes you’ve likely seen on Lincoln roads in recent weeks aren’t just there for looks.

That’s a salt-water mixture the city of Lincoln Public Works Department started laying down shortly after Nov. 1, said Roger Tiedeman, the city’s west district manager for street maintenance.

“It’s just salt water,” he said.

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A snow plow works around parked cars in southwest Lincoln as crews worked to clear the city's streets in this February, 2008 file photo. (Eric Gregory)

The brine solution acts as an anti-ice agent, preventing snow and ice from bonding to the pavement during winter storms. The city has been laying down the solution on arterial streets and bridges in Lincoln each Wednesday and Thursday for nearly three weeks, Tiedeman said.

Why is the city putting the solution down so early when barely a snowflake has fallen?

Mainly, Tiedeman said, the city wants to reduce frost buildup on bridges and arterials. But the city also sees some possible cost savings to laying down the solution early.

“If we don’t have it down, then we end up using more salt just to try to melt the stuff,” he said.

The solution is relatively inexpensive, Tiedeman said, costing about 5 cents per gallons. Compared to other anti-ice agents, like Ice Ban, which costs nearly 85 cents-per-gallon, that’s a bargain, he said.

And the city has been manufacturing its own brine solution since last winter, he said.

The city already has received some complaints from residents about laying down the brine solution so early in the season, Tiedeman said.

When wet, the solution can make roads slippery, which especially can affect motorcyclists and speeding motorists. But it dries fairly quickly and will normally remain effective for more than a week, he said.

A state roads manager questioned why the city already has begun laying down the brine mixture.

Roger Kalkwarf, District 1 operations and maintenance manager for the state roads department, said the state likely won’t lay down any anti-ice mixture until it sees a winter storm approaching.

“It just hasn’t been that cold yet,” he said. “I don’t want to waste my salt if I don’t have to.”

Bob Jacobs, road maintenance superintendent for Lancaster County, said the county also will wait until a storm approaches before putting down its brine mixture.

“We wait for the storm,” he said.

Of course, the county and state each have many more miles of roads to maintain once a storm actually hits.

The city handles 19 routes, each about 50 miles long, compared to 3,500 lane-miles for the state roads department’s Southeast Nebraska district and 1,500 miles of road for the county.

Tiedeman said the city is ready for its first winter storm, though it doesn’t yet know when that storm will hit. He knows from experience it will be in his department’s best interest to tackle the snow even before it touches the ground.

“People get a little antsy when we’re not right in front of their door,” he said.

Reach Kevin Abourezk at 473-7225 or kabourezk@journalstar.com.


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born and raised nebraskan wrote on December 1, 2008 1:45 am:
" when i was in elmwood springs colorado, i was told they use a non-corrosive de-icer product made from soybeans, they weren't sure on the name but were sure it was a product from nebraska. no corrosion on there cars and it snows the majority of the year up in them mountains. why don't we use it here, i wonder. i think it should atleast be an option, but i've never even heard of the product being mentioned around here. "

born and raised nebraskan wrote on December 1, 2008 1:49 am:
" sorry i wanted to correct my post i was in glenwood springs colorado. not elmwood! when i was enlightened on the subject "

Bob wrote on December 1, 2008 6:19 am:
" I didn't know they were putting salt on the roads to keep the ice from building up. I thought the car repair shops paid them to do it so our cars would rust and have to be fixed. Either way they get our cars. Rust or accidents.
Guess you just can't please everyone. hahaha "

CS wrote on December 1, 2008 6:44 am:
" Drive on relatively non-icy, pre-preemptively cleared roads and maybe get in a wreck, or almost certainly get in a wreck because of ice, I guess you can't please everyone..... "

-chet wrote on December 1, 2008 8:42 am:
" Another waste of tax payer dollars.

Put the onus on YOU the driver, NOT the government to ensure safe winter driving. This means knowing how to handle a vehicle in winter conditions, knowing when to stay home, and properly outfitting your car with dedicated snow tires (NOT all seasons), scrapers, shovel and blanket. I have driven many snowy Swedish miles in a 2wd car in snow that would make your domestic Tahoe driver shiver.

Emergency vehicles would get around just fine in 95% of the snowstorms we have if it wasn't for Mr. Joe SUV having an upside down picnic in the ditch and others abandoning thier ill-equipped vehicles. "Preemptive salting" does nothing but jeopardize supplies when we really need it, and raise your taxes, and not to mention, destroy your car.

Governments and insurance companies need to reward good decision making. "Out of chips and frozen pizzas" is not a good enough reason to go to the store in 12" of snow. "

John wrote on December 1, 2008 8:59 am:
" The citizens overeacted last year and now the it's the cities turn. Guess who gets to pay for it... "

TT wrote on December 1, 2008 9:25 am:
" Some eastern cities use that soybean mix too. Have for years. "

can never please the public wrote on December 1, 2008 9:30 am:
" People complaining about this preemptive attempt by Lincoln city roads crews to keep our streets snow and ice free are probably the same people who complain that they don't get out soon enough to clear streets during/after a storm. I think its a good idea. I've seen the city laying this mixture down and didn't notice it was slippery. I'm assuming the complainers didn't notice either, and only comment on it because the article told them. "

amazing wrote on December 1, 2008 9:56 am:
" Maybe you ought to put the onus on yourself and wash your car once in a while. I drive an emergency vehicle. I know I'm not as cool as the guy with the Swedish driving skills but I think it's smart to put this stuff out early. Most people do pretty well driving later in the winter. It's a matter of getting the rust knocked off their winter driving skills, no pun intended! "

Harley _ D wrote on December 1, 2008 10:04 am:
" It might not hurt to know that the City Street Maintenance crew employees is at an all time low in numbers. There are less workers around to clear the streets than there were in years past, and the City has only grown in size. So there is much man power to cover much more ground when clearing snow and ice. What ever happened to that old addage, "an ounce of prevention........". City Street Maintenance workers ROCK! Thank you ALL for your dedication and for all your hard work. "

yup wrote on December 1, 2008 10:11 am:
" An earlier article said the solution lasts about a week. That's why people are complaining, even at .5 a gal, figure in the cost of the personnel, gas and vehicle, putting it down every week for 3 weeks wasted is plain stupid. Don't over-react, just use common sense and plow the streets when the snow hits. It will save my car if you DON'T use the solution every week when not needed. "

Jon wrote on December 1, 2008 10:18 am:
" I can't believe they waste the gas and labor cost of applying this 'car-rusting agent/accident causer' when it hasn't hardly stormed yet. Please quit! Read the forecast, apply prior to a snow event, not a sunny Wednesday because it is cheap. "

Rust is exaggerated anymore wrote on December 1, 2008 10:33 am:
" Most cars have minimal "rustable" parts anyway compared to 25-40 years ago. I had a 65 Mustang rust within 7 years to the point where the quarter panels almost disintegrated. My almost 20 year old car has no signs of rust anywhere.

My hat goes off to the city maintenance workers and a "boo" to those who complain about anything the street department does. Once again, I'd love to complain constantly about how you do your work...it would really be fun to show you how it feels. "

Dak wrote on December 1, 2008 11:11 am:
" So we put this mix down when there is no storm forecast, right?

Seems to me, that with the constant driving it on it, that it would wear off, so why, are we needlessly spending the money to put this down without a threat of a storm?

Logic would dictate that this mix be laid down before a storm hits, not weeks in advance of no storms. Seems a waste to me, but then our City is good at wasting things. "

Stop the complaining wrote on December 1, 2008 11:29 am:
" I'm tired of hearing people complain about everything this city does. Just stop your complaining people! If you don't like the way the city does things, you have 2 choices:
1. Run for office and change things yourself
2. Move out of Lincoln "

Matt P. wrote on December 1, 2008 12:04 pm:
" Are you people serious?? Are you seriously complaining about the city take precautionary measures here? Get a grip!! If they hadn't done anything you'd be complaining and saying they need to foresee these snowstorms and take precautionary measures.

I truly think that many of you are so spoiled and so self centered that someone could hand you a $100 bill and you would complain because you wanted two $50 bills.

I am so disgusted with these comments. Many of you on here need a serious serious reality check. "

Too much salt wrote on December 1, 2008 12:09 pm:
" I, too, think this is a waste of time and money. But what really gets me is how it ruins my car unnecessarily. If people would ever learn that they don't have to be able to drive 24/7 in any weather situation the city wouldn't feel so pressured to prophylactically apply these corssive agents to our streets weeks in advance and when there's no bad weather in the forecast. Lincolnites need to get it through their thick skulls that when the roads are at their worst you need to STAY HOME. In almost every case their fine again in 24 hours. Of course there are exceptions but now that every soccer mom has an SUV they think they're invincible on the roads. Salting the roads any more than is absolutely necessary is a terrible price to pay. Not ony monetarily but in ruining your vehicle. And don't kid yourself that you can run your car through the car wash and all is fine. That salt solution gets into nooks and crannies that you have no idea even exist on your car. Once it's there, it's there for a long, long time no matter how good your car wash is. Besides, even if you wash it as soon as you drive on the salted roads again (even if they're dry) you get the salt right back on your undercarriage. Salt sucks! "

Hey Bob wrote on December 1, 2008 12:25 pm:
" Plastic doesn't rust. Most cars that are less than 10 years old are just that.

And way to cry about them actually being proactive for once. It may not be the best effort, but this is the first time since I have lived here that there has been a clear attempt made toward prevention. Lincoln has always been extremely reactive when it comes to things like this. "

J wrote on December 1, 2008 1:03 pm:
" Just look at all the accidents that happened in Omaha on Saturday night, including an SUV that slid out of control and hit two firefighters that were on the scene of another accident. This was well worth the nominal costs, especially if it keeps people safe. "

ECHusker wrote on December 1, 2008 1:57 pm:
" I live on the east coast and see these white stripes popping up on roads all over. There hasn't been a snow or ice event yet, and it has barely been below freezing this season. The stripes starting showing up on bridges weeks ago...well ahead of any type of storm in the forecast. Even though there was a lot of rain here Sunday, the stripes are still there. I'm not sure if it's soybean mix or salt, but last season it worked well. It's not a 100 percent solution, but if you can at least cut down on accidents and save lives, it's a good thing. The Lincoln complainers will complain about anything. Give it a chance to work! The next thing they’ll say is that Henery’s 57-yard kick vs. CU was good, but then they'd bet he couldn’t hit 60 yards. Give me a break! "

Nina wrote on December 1, 2008 3:08 pm:
" Tackling the storm when it's in the forecast would seem to be a good plan. That way, you're not caught trying to do too much too late, but yet you haven't spent a lot of time and money preparing when fall rains are likely to wash the brine away before it's needed. I do remember the past few winters, when for several mornings (not even during storms) the main highways and streets had melted tracks for easy going, but when you turned into a lesser-used left-turn lane, you found it was slick. We all can help save time and money, and prevent possible injury and damage, by going slower and being alert drivers, also. "

Too much salt wrote on December 1, 2008 3:23 pm:
" Who are you kidding? Cars are plastic now?!? I don't think so. There is more plastic content in new cars but the vast majority of your car is still good ol' metal. Although anti-rust characteristics have improved in recent years in new cars, your vehicle will still rust just like every other car does. Might take a little longer but it will definitely rust. Why? Because we drive in a salt bath for 5-6 months each year. And once the salt is put down in the fall it remains on the roads until the heavey spring rains wash most of it away... and even then it still lingers to some extent all summer. No matter how thoroughly you try to wash it off, you can't get to all the underside nooks and crannies where it hides and corrodes. And why do we put up with this? So every soccer mom in town can get to gymnastics in a blizzard instead of staying home for 5 minutes... an option that is, apparently, utterly unacceptable to them. People would rather risk life and limb to get where they're going than just stay off the roads and let the plows work. Actually, prior to the '60s Lincoln didn't use salt. I wish we could go back to those days. Maybe people would finally learn to stay off the roads when they're at their worst. "

-chet wrote on December 1, 2008 7:41 pm:
" If you folks think modern cars are rust resistant, you haven't turned enough wrenches, or have completely forgotten what is under that fancy plastic cladding.

I'm looking at my 3rd set of doors for my '87 Chevy because of this annual saltapalooza we have in Nebraska. It takes less than 3-4 years of normal use for undercarriage parts on both foreign and domestics to rust beyond normal repair. My '05 Subaru already is showing signs of severe corrosion on the hubs, strut mounts and swaybar bushings and bolts.

And sorry J, You could spray all the salt in the world, but it comes down to the vehicle operator, not the city-county as responsible for that little ballet on I-80 the other night. Can't fix stupid, but we keep asking the government to do more to protect ourselves from ourselves, at the taxpayers expense.

Stop fooling yourselves. A little personal responsibility will go a long way if you must venture out in inclement weather. "

Icy Drive This Morning wrote on December 3, 2008 9:39 am:
" Where did the city put down the solution today? It sure wasn't on 84th Street from Adams to A Street. And A Street from 84th to 70th was skating rink. 70th Street was pretty good, so they must have hit that. "

Icy Drive This Morning wrote on December 3, 2008 12:41 pm:
" Where did the city put down the solution today? It sure wasn't on 84th Street from Adams to A Street. And A Street from 84th to 70th was skating rink. 70th Street was pretty good, so they must have hit that. "