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By MELISSA LEE / the Lincoln Journal Star

Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 - 06:17:14 pm CDT

In less than two weeks, Americans will elect either a black president or female vice president.

That, say proponents of a proposed ban on race- and gender-based affirmative action, is evidence racism and sexism are on their way out.

It’s progress, opponents counter, but doesn’t mean the U.S. has achieved racial and gender equality.

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Ward Connerly

In fact, said David Kramer of the pro-affirmative action group Nebraskans United, Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama’s race and Republican vice-presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin’s gender have emerged as issues again and again in the campaign — proof the U.S. is far from a race- and gender-neutral country.

If voters agree, Kramer said, “let’s not dismantle the programs that helped get us here.”

His remarks came during a Tuesday debate on the proposed affirmative-action ban hosted by the Lincoln Independent Business Association.

Nebraska voters are scheduled to weigh in on the ban, known as Initiative 424, on Nov. 4.

The initiative would amend the state’s constitution to prohibit preferential treatment based on race, gender, ethnicity or national origin in public hiring and admissions decisions.

Kramer’s opponent was Ward Connerly of the California-based American Civil Rights Institute, the group that has successfully spearheaded affirmative-action bans in California, Washington and Michigan and that targeted five more states this year.

All taxpayers deserve equal treatment from their government, said Connerly, who is black.

“I can’t think of anything more basic that belongs in the constitution than my rights and your rights,” the former University of California regent said at the standing room-only debate. “That’s basic, folks. That’s a roadmap for how the government is to treat us.”

Quotas and set-asides don’t exist in Nebraska, Kramer said. The affirmative-action programs the state does have — like those that encourage men to pursue nursing, or women to pursue engineering — are good for all Nebraskans, he said.

The state should only amend its constitution, he said, to correct a “very, very serious program.”

“This is a creative attempt to address a problem that doesn’t actually exist here in Nebraska,” he said.

There’s nothing wrong with, for example, encouraging more men to go into nursing, Connerly responded. But taxpayers shouldn’t have to support scholarships and recruitment efforts that give preferential treatment to anyone, regardless of race or gender, he said.

Such preferences are having perilous consequences, Connerly said. The country has “gotten carried away” with efforts to boost racial and gender diversity, he said. And in judging college, scholarship and job applicants on factors beyond their merit, the U.S. is losing its competitive edge against countries like China.

Efforts to address the country’s education gap between racial groups should begin at the elementary level, not the university level, he said.

“If you really want to treat people equally, treat them equally,” he said. “Presume they have the same God-given capacity that you do.”

Kramer and Connerly are set to debate Initiative 424 twice more in the next week. They’ll meet in Omaha on Wednesday, and Doane College in Crete will host the pair on Oct. 29.

Connerly’s group targeted Nebraska, Colorado, Arizona, Missouri and Oklahoma this year in its effort to end affirmative action across the nation, but succeeded in getting the issue on the ballot only in Nebraska and Colorado.

Polls show most voters support ending racial and gender preferences. But in Nebraska, numerous groups have come out against the affirmative-action ban, saying it will endanger programs that help level the playing field for historically underrepresented groups.

For example, the University of Nebraska says a ban would hamper its efforts to diversify its campuses. Supporters of the ban note NU could still use affirmative action based on factors like socioeconomic status and geography, just not race or gender.

Reach Melissa Lee at 473-2682 or mlee@journalstar.com.


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Mike wrote on October 21, 2008 3:46 pm:
" Reverse discrimination is not right, I'm supporting the ban. Everyone should be treated equal today. "

voted wrote on October 21, 2008 3:48 pm:
" Harvey Perlman's position against this helped make our decision and we voted today in Lincoln in favor of ending racial and gender preference. By the way we had to wait in line today to vote and the line was longer when we left. "

UNL College of Law student wrote on October 21, 2008 3:55 pm:
" This ban proposes a change to our state constitution. Such a change is meant to be only required when it is absolutely necessary. And as the article states, it is being proposed by out-of-state interests. Not only that, but they attempt to convince voters of its need by despicable means (see http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2008/10/08/news/local/doc48ecf087105ee099987467.txt and my comments to understand).

This is not what Nebraska needs. We have such a small percentage of minorities and a large percentage of implicitly (and perhaps overtly) prejudicial people that it's no wonder how few minorities work for the government or go to professional schools--UNL does not consider race or gender at all in admitting undergrads. There is no need for this amendment, but I fear that the misinformed may outnumber the people who understand the issue come election day (wow, only 2 weeks away). "

Eric wrote on October 21, 2008 4:12 pm:
" David Kramer - if Obama's race and Palin's gender proves "the U.S. is far from a race- and gender-neutral county" ... then why in the world would anyone want SPECIAL PROGRAMS for SPECIAL TREATMENT of people BASED on RACE and/or GENDER? This is the craziest thing I've ever heard. You want equal treatment? Then stop legislating forced unequal treatment. "

Renee wrote on October 21, 2008 4:45 pm:
" I agree as my children are not allowed to be in activities at school-due them not being native american or etc... I'm wondering if it's right to have Black educational television-what if there was a white educational station- someone would raise heck over that. Please keep in mind this is coming from someone w/friends of all races. "

Chris wrote on October 21, 2008 4:58 pm:
" I would like to know how passage of this bill will effect grant money from federal agencies and others that are won by University researchers. I understand that there are some prerequisites requiring an affirmative action to be eligible for such grants. I would hate to lose money over a change in the law. Ideally, yes, people should be judged based on their qualifications. I do not believe that the real world is the ideal world, and I don't think this proposed change will lead us closer to the ideal. It is a very difficult issue and there are no clear answers. I think that this change should be made only when it is deemed to be completely obsolete. I don't think we are there yet. The law being obsolete will only occur when it is clear that changes will have no effect. I believe there will still be a significant effect if changes are made. "

Business Lobby wrote on October 21, 2008 5:10 pm:
" While I see value in this discussion I wonder why a business lobby is holding it? Strange indeed. "

Just say NO wrote on October 21, 2008 5:24 pm:
" To LIBA and affirmative action. Two very bad ideas. "

Trish wrote on October 21, 2008 9:51 pm:
" I plan to vote for ballot measure 424, hoping this ends preferences in Nebraska's public sector. I find it highly objectionable that some argue for the need to treat people differently based on skin color. "

Attended LIBA today wrote on October 21, 2008 10:27 pm:
" I attended the luncheon today and had to chuckle when I watched a local news broadcast at 6 p.m. covering the debate/discussion. The reporter got the story backwards, switching the debate participants' viewpoints. I saw the online transcript was corrected by 7 p.m. The point of my comment is that I wonder if the average voter will read the ballot correctly, as the issue and each side can be confusing if you don't pay attention to the wording. "

Yokai wrote on October 22, 2008 10:03 am:
" @Chris: from the text of the initiative: '(5) Nothing in this section prohibits action that must be taken to establish or maintain eligibility for any federal program, if ineligibility would result in a loss of federal funds to the state.' This is one of the reasons I'll be voting 'NO' on this. Either there's a principle of non-discrimination here, or there isn't. Glaring exceptions like this are a pretty good indicator that expedience trumps the principle. "

Gerard Harbison wrote on October 22, 2008 10:07 am:
" Chris:

The ban is on preferences, not affirmative action. Universities can still construct preference-free AA programs to comply with federal law, and universities in California Washington and Michigan have done exactly that. I can assure you U. Cal. Berkeley still gets lots and lots of federal dollars! And the text of the amendment says that preference can still be used if they are required by a federal program. "

JB wrote on October 22, 2008 10:25 am:
" Connerly is totally in this for the money. He has made millions with this "non-profit" organization promoting many different causes all over the country. Here he is against "affirmative action", but at many times has used the fact that he is "black" for business gains. He cares nothing about the "issue", just the money he can make promoting it. Google him and see what you find. Just a outstate organization trying to buy our vote. "

JB wrote on October 22, 2008 10:36 am:
" Connerly is totally in this for the money. He has made millions with this "non-profit" organization promoting many different causes all over the country. Here he is against "affirmative action", but at many times has used the fact that he is "black" for business gains. He cares nothing about the "issue", just the money he can make promoting it. Google him and see what you find. Just a outstate organization trying to buy our vote and make money doing it. "

JohnB wrote on October 22, 2008 10:59 am:
" Some people have been discriminated against for hundreds of years and now it only takes a few decades for those who discriminated against them to believe all is equal and that they are now the ones discriminated against. Is it believed that the latest generation of these minority groups not be helped to get in the position where they would be if they had not been discriminated against in the near past? Sorry so hear many people believe others are now more equal then they. "

Johnb wrote on October 22, 2008 12:38 pm:
" The ballot issue was close to 100% financed from out of state. Connerly has made millions of dollars for himself promoting different issues all over the country. He pays himself over $500,000 and makes millions speaking. His organization is financed by a group of right wing groups that care nothing about the areas they spend their money at. "