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By MELISSA LEE / Lincoln Journal Star

Wednesday, Oct 08, 2008 - 05:01:45 pm CDT

Surveying his classrooms at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln College of Law, Nestor Marante doesn’t often see faces like his.

“It can be a little hard,” admitted Marante, a third-year law student who is Cuban-American.

Marante, in fact, is part of a small share — 10 to 15 percent — of the college’s 400-plus students who are non-white.

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That’s why the Florida native was a bit shocked by accusations the law college has been discriminating against whites and Asians in favor of blacks and Hispanics in its admissions process.

“I don’t know how much discrimination actually goes on,” Marante said.

But the Falls Church, Va.-based Center for Equal Opportunity says it conducted a study that found the College of Law has engaged in racial preferences by admitting black and Hispanic students with lower grades and LSAT scores than white and Asian applicants.

The group released its study Wednesday, less than four weeks before Nebraskans are scheduled to vote on a ban on some forms of affirmative action.

According to the study, in 2006 and 2007, the law school rejected 389 white applicants even though they had higher grades and LSAT scores than the average black admittee.

That, says the center’s president and general counsel, Roger Clegg, is discrimination.

And, Clegg said, it’s something voters should remember on Nov. 4 when they weigh in on the Nebraska Civil Rights Initiative, which would put a constitutional ban on race- and gender-based affirmative action in public hiring and admissions decisions.

“This is something that the people of Nebraska should be concerned about,” he said.

College of Law Dean Steve Willborn dismissed the study, saying his college never supplied Clegg’s group with the data it purpotes to cite. The group denies that charge.

Willborn did, however, acknowledge the law college considers race as one factor in its admissions decisions as a way to help diversify its student body.

That practice is consistent with the 2003 Supreme Court ruling that said colleges have a “compelling interest” to pursue diversity on their campuses.

And the law college considers a host of factors beyond race, Willborn noted: whether a student has lived overseas, whether a student speaks a foreign language, whether a student was an NCAA athlete and so on.

“We do provide preferences to people to make sure we get a diversity of people at the law school,” he said. “We want a group of people who can really debate things well from a diverse set of experiences... That makes it a good law school for everybody.”

For example, in a course Willborn teaches, students discuss drug testing. A former NCAA athlete, he said, could share his or her personal experience with the class.

Similarly, a discussion on whether police stop blacks more often than whites would benefit from a black student’s perspective, he said. Or a discussion on economic policies in China could get input from a student who’s lived there.

“You really need to think when you admit a law school class, ‘How are they going to fit together as a group?’” Willborn said.

In 2007, according to the Center for Equal Opportunity, whites comprised 84 percent of law college applicants and 85 percent of admittees. Blacks, meanwhile, comprised 5 percent of applicants and 4 percent of admittees; Hispanics were 5 percent of applicants and 5 percent of admittees; and Asians were 7 percent of applicants and 6 percent of admittees.

If those numbers are accurate, Willborn noted, the law school’s admittees roughly reflect its applicant pool. But Clegg questioned whether, based on grade point averages and LSAT scores, all admittees were equally qualified.

Test scores and grades aren’t the only factors that show how qualified an applicant is, Willborn countered.

His argument was echoed at an afternoon debate between Clegg and David Kramer of the pro-affirmative action group Nebraskans United.

“Personality matters. Background matters. Experience matters,” Kramer said during the heated debate.

Further, asked whether such a small number of minority students at the law college justifies a change to the state’s Constitution, Willborn said: “You can write in the obvious answer for me.”

Clegg believes some of discrimination at UNL goes unreported.

He said he supports colleges’ quests for diversity, but not if they come at the expense of civil rights.

“You have to say, ‘Is it worth it?’” he said. “...The answer is no.”

His group found no statistical evidence of discrimination in undergraduate admissions at UNL.

Reach Melissa Lee at 473-2682 or mlee@journalstar.com.


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Me wrote on October 8, 2008 1:02 pm:
" Wow, as a white law student, I never knew that I was discriminated against here at the College of Law. I'm really glad this group told me as much.

Maybe next they should ask about women. The current first year class is 2/3rds male - I'm betting they're not worried about where the women are. "

MarkyMark wrote on October 8, 2008 1:13 pm:
" I hope all of us are disgusted with the University's position on this. A test score has merit, race should not have any merit. We as a nation are reversing our thought process from before the Civil War. "

I wouldnt mind.... wrote on October 8, 2008 1:17 pm:
" having this debate if the people who were against affirmative action would do more than simply make stuff up. That is one of the many pathetic parts about this argument. "

Matt G wrote on October 8, 2008 1:18 pm:
" 273 whites compared to 14 blacks? It's the downfall of white America! So much discrimination! Ha, ha, ha, ha! "

foxspit wrote on October 8, 2008 1:18 pm:
" 273 white vs. 14 black and the college is discriminating against white students? I don't get it. "

Nildjat wrote on October 8, 2008 1:23 pm:
" Any student, minority or other, is being done a disservice by being admitted under bar -- especially to Law School! Time and time again, studies have shown that the students who fail out of these schools are the ones who didn't make the grade in the first place, but were there because of Affirmative Action and for the sake of "diversity". In fact, studies also show that there are LESS minority lawyers in our society due in large part to Affirmative Action.

I am appalled that the University of Nebraska feels diversity, despite the obvious detriment to minorities, is a worthwhile cause to continue to support Affirmative Action.

If we want minorities to succeed, as we should want all people (regardless of physical attributes) to succeed, let us put our energy into solving the more pressing issues, including lack of education and cultural values, that are far more responsible for the difference in minority attendance and acceptance than "racist conspiracy" and bigotry. "

Beaker wrote on October 8, 2008 1:39 pm:
" 14/273 = 4.878%

Exactly how is that discriminatory against everyone else?

I don't know the current % of African American students currently enrolled at UNL in total, but doesn't seem like this is probably that far off from total admittance. It is about what I would expect considering the school is predominatly Caucasian.

I applaud the school for considering everything when admitting students. New backgrounds usually equate to new ideas, new ways of thinking, and often improvements to any system or body of work. It is closed mindedness, status quo, or totaltarianistic views that limit where we can go. "

PJ wrote on October 8, 2008 1:41 pm:
" If 14 black students were admitted, how many applied? If 273 white students were admitted, how many applied? "

Sean wrote on October 8, 2008 1:44 pm:
" Whites can afford to be discriminated against for a while. "

nebraskan wrote on October 8, 2008 1:47 pm:
" after 2 years of UNL I've yet to have a single class with a black student. so if this is happening its really not too relevant. the school could definitely use some more diversity in the classroom. "

Shelly wrote on October 8, 2008 1:48 pm:
" Great a new page for the anti-affirmative action people to go on and on and on about how they think they're great! Blah! "

Rudy wrote on October 8, 2008 1:57 pm:
" Is this the first time anyone has ever described 'reverse discrimmiantion"? "

pen wrote on October 8, 2008 1:58 pm:
" " Everyone that has attended the university of nebraska law college has already known that fact. This is not rocket science. Just ask any minority at the college how they got accepted over white applicants." "

Law School Should Be Accountable wrote on October 8, 2008 2:03 pm:
" I am fine with the Law College admitting some minorities with lower academic credentials in order to add diversity, but think it is a shame that they admit those with such low of academic credentials (and don't provide them with adequate support) that these students end up failing out. The Law College Admissions committee should be accountable for this wasted drain on resources and loss of spots to more academically qualified candidates who likely would have succeeded. "

What wrote on October 8, 2008 2:07 pm:
" Have the people who run this "Center" been to the law school? Or any law office around the state? There are very few non-white attorneys in this state. I applaud the Law College for making an effort to diversify the legal community. If anything is appalling, Mr. Clegg, it is your desire to twist statistics to further your agenda. "

Eric wrote on October 8, 2008 2:07 pm:
" If the ratio of black to white is roughly 1:20, just how many blacks do they propose removing to make sure this school is more racially representative of the general population? "

UNL College of Law student wrote on October 8, 2008 2:16 pm:
" There might be more diversity inside the Law College here than on the street (though not in my neighborhood), but I can say with personal experience that I don't feel discriminated against, and the nonwhite students here work just as hard as anyone else. The LSAT isn't a direct measure of how good a lawyer you will be anyway, and a wide range of other factors are looked at when you are being admitted into a law school. "

the real mary wrote on October 8, 2008 2:31 pm:
" "Law College Dean Steven Willborn said the college never gave the group data that included race and ethnicity"- In other words, the CEO is making stuff up.
14 black students were admitted last year and 273 white students. Doesn't really sound like there's a problem, does it? The CEO makes it SOUND like there's a problem because they put everything in terms of the probability that a black student will be admitted vs. the probability a white student will be. If five black students and 100 white students apply, and 1 black student and 75 white students are admitted, then of course the "probability" that a black student will be admitted over a white student is much higher. It's all a numbers game. "

Law Student wrote on October 8, 2008 2:50 pm:
" The UNL Law College is a great institution and one that every Nebraskan should be proud of...The Center for Equal Opportunity needs to find something better to do with it's time. "

Me2 wrote on October 8, 2008 2:52 pm:
" Wow, Since when did test scores become the determining factor for law school? Last time I checked the also considered GPA, personal statement, and a plethora of other things. This is why I can't support this affirmative action ban, its based on misconceptions and half-truths twisted and then given to the public that all of the minorities at the law school are not qualified to be in law school, which is simply not true...and I'm sure that there are many students at UNL College of Law that would agree "

Not me wrote on October 8, 2008 3:04 pm:
" Hey Me, if there were 100 spots for new students, and you found out that you were 101 on the list, would you feel discriminated against if you found out that any of those that were accepted due to affirmative action were less qualified to be there than you?

When I attended Creighton, I was in class with many pre-med students. One person that always stuck in my mind was a black girl. She struggled everyday and got mediocre grads. She got into medical school because of affirmative action. I couldn't believe it when she told me she had been accepted. I knew I would never want her as my doctor because, in my opinion, she wasn't qualified to even be in medical school and my opinion had nothing to do with her gender or race. I studied with her and did labs with her, she just couldn't grasp some of the easier concepts of beginning chemistry. I'm sure a much more qualified person was denied entrance to the medical school she was accepted at just to make room for her.

While in college, I had a job working security for a local business. One of my co-workers was black man that I considered a very good friend of mine. We got to talking about affirmative action once. I asked him, "if you were promoted to a better position, do you want it because you deserved it, or just because you're black". You could see by the change in expression on his face that for the first time he realized that affirmative action was inflicting on others what had been inflicted on blacks due to racism.

A person should be judged by their abilities when it comes to school or in their careers. The process should be gender neutral and color blind. Affirmative action is just reverse discrimination. "

-chet wrote on October 8, 2008 3:14 pm:
" Discrimination often starts even before you get to college.

I remember as a HS Senior decades ago, that I was not "qualified" for scholarship offers presented to us because my parents made too much, I had the wrong color of skin, wrong creed, ethnic background, etc. "

CS wrote on October 8, 2008 3:28 pm:
" You can't make people apply to law school-if women aren't applying then they obviously aren't getting accepted-you are changing the subject. If Black students are being accepted with lower scores, then I would question the mission of the Law college. I want the best lawyer, not the best lawyer that happened to get in because of a break. A 92%ile score because you come from a minority does not equal a 98%ile-it's still 92%. "

Stephen wrote on October 8, 2008 3:29 pm:
" 1. Why does a Virginia based Think tank care about a Nebraska University?

2. 14 black students admitted compared to 273 white students. Wow! I'm white and I don't see the reverse discrimination. "

To Me wrote on October 8, 2008 3:32 pm:
" Ughh, if you reread it, they aren't basing their claim off any ratio of students. They are simply saying that black students are admitted with lower scores. Of course you don't feel discriminated against because you were admitted. However, being in the law field, you'd also probably be ready to sue if you found you were denied admission and a minority student with lower and fewer qualifications was admitted in your place. "

Bob wrote on October 8, 2008 3:38 pm:
" If the purple student has better grades and has applied to a mostly purple university and he is rejected in favor a green student with lower grades just for the sake of diversity because he is green....that is the very definition of racism. "

THAT is discrimination wrote on October 8, 2008 3:50 pm:
" A ratio of 14:273 is discrimination??? Yes, those poor white males. How will they ever find equality amid such blatant discrimination??? (BIG eye roll!) "

what a bunch of... wrote on October 8, 2008 3:52 pm:
" BS. Are you kidding me? God forbid we have FOURTEEN black law students compared to almost 300 white. This is incredible. I support the law college 100%. As an educated young woman, I know the value and importance of having diverse opinions in the classroom. Wonderful point about the Center's lack of concern for the admittance of women. "

Tough wrote on October 8, 2008 3:55 pm:
" White people complaining because they are discriminated against. That's rich. What a joke. Welcome to my (minority) world. Ive been asked for ID at McDonalds when using my checkcard right after the person before me (white male) used theirs without being asked for ID. Ive been followed at stores and Ive never shoplifted in my life. You expect us to feel sorry for you? Get real. "

wow wrote on October 8, 2008 3:55 pm:
" 14 vs 273. That sure does equal a bias alright. "

SP wrote on October 8, 2008 4:02 pm:
" When did test scores become the only, or most important, determinant of entrance into law school? Does omission of relevant information qualify as lying? Or just good reporting? Idiots... push your agenda elsewhere! Nebraskans are too smart for your silly ploys! "

Another Law Student wrote on October 8, 2008 4:15 pm:
" You have to wonder what their goals are. Is there preferential admission policies? Sure, but in my mind that isn't the right question to be asking. The question that should be asked is why are black students scoring lower on the LSAT than white students? Why are their undergraduate GPAs lower? How well does the LSAT and undergraduate gpa predict the performance of black students and white students in law school and after law school? I believe that when there is such a disparity between the black applicants and white applicants as measured by the LSAT and by undergraduate GPA, then perhaps the problem isn't with those students, but with the system. The only other options would be that black students with better scores aren't applying to Nebraska or law schools in general or that most black students are not qualified to go to law school.

We have made a lot of progress towards equality among the races, but let's not kid ourselves... there is still a long road ahead of us and that there are inequalities in the system must be taken into account. "

Econ wrote on October 8, 2008 4:22 pm:
" Look at the ratios: 34 percent of blacks that applied were admitted. 37 percent of the whites were admitted. What's the problem? Seems pretty fair to me. "

Lets do some math wrote on October 8, 2008 4:30 pm:
" If 14 of 41 black applicants were admitted, that would be an admission rate of 34 percent. If 273 of 729 white applicants were admitted, that would be an admission rate of 37 percent. When a higher percentage of white applicants are accepted, I don't think anyone can claim racial bias in favor of black applicants. It's also important to look at the ratios. For every one black applicant admitted, there were almost twenty white applicants admitted. The allegations of racial bias are not substantiated by the facts. "

the real mary wrote on October 8, 2008 4:30 pm:
" The CEO is obviously making stuff up, since they do not have access to the data they are using to come up with their statistics. Standardized test scores are not available for public scrutiny, and the law school would be in a world of hurt if they were to hand these over to anyone who asked for them. I think the CEO is just making this part up because they are racists who assume all black students get lower test scores than white students. But regardless, here is what I see:
34% of black applicants were admitted. 37% of white applicants were admitted. Black students make up 5% of the total class size. I really don't understand what the problem is here. "

um... wrote on October 8, 2008 4:38 pm:
" Apparently, being a law student doesn't always qualify someone of reading comprehension. The study isn't showing that white students admitted into the college of law are being discriminated against. The study is showing that students DENIED entry to the law college over students with lower entry scores are the ones being discriminated against.
Try to understand the argument before you try to discredit it. "

Mark-law college grad wrote on October 8, 2008 5:30 pm:
" There is a lot of evidence that the LSAT, as well as other standardized tests, are discriminatory in that the test questions are inherently better-suited for white subjects than minorities. Thee's nothing wrong with recognizing this, and perhaps emphasizing other, subjective, criteria.

Do minorities get favorable treatment--probably so, but I don't care. Additinoally, I think there really is something to be said for emphasizing diversity among a class at the expense of (perhaps) a few people who are more qualified. "

M wrote on October 8, 2008 5:33 pm:
" So, African-Americans are admitted at a rate of 34%, while whites are admitted at a rate of 37%. Doesn't add up to obvious discrimination to me. "

To Not me wrote on October 8, 2008 5:39 pm:
" to get into med schhol you have to have good MCATs-looks like your bias against this black girl is stereotypical as she couldn't have been given admission if she failed her MCATs.I know this because I'm an MD.I also know many poorly qualified whites who repeated MCATs at least thrice till they could get a decent score to be considered for med school. "

Recent Grad wrote on October 8, 2008 5:39 pm:
" I am a recent grad of UNL College of Law. Minorities with lower LSAT scores and GPAs are getting scholarships just because they are a minority.My class had a number of minority students FAIL their first year of law school. They were allowed to keep their scholarship and repeat the frist year- yet there were many white students who placed in the top 15% who were not awarded scholarship. There is reverse discrimination going on at the law school and someone should fix it. I am glad it is being brought to the public attention. The Journalstar should try to do some investigative reporting on the issue. All the numbers should be publicly available.

The same reverse discrimination is going on a law firms all over the country. It is all about how many blacks you have. "

DW wrote on October 8, 2008 5:42 pm:
" How surprising! Rabble-rousers from another state are stirring up trouble again in Nebraska. The amusing thing is, they probably couldn't have selected a more lily-white, male-dominated, narrow-minded states in which to peddle their prejudices. "

To pen wrote on October 8, 2008 5:45 pm:
" I'm an asian female chemical engineer and i can assure you i got onto college because my grades and GPA's were always higher than my white male peers-and remained so in college (maybe you should check out the Dean's lists) and also got into graduate school because I consistently out performed the white males.So next time you ask any "minority" how they got into college be prepared to show me you ACT's and GRE's and college transcripts to back up your claim that you were discriminated against. "

mm wrote on October 8, 2008 5:50 pm:
" The University of Nebraska College of Law has an interest in promoting all types of diversity. Admissions should reflect not only grades and test scores, but life experiences and socioeconomic backgrounds. The College is NOT admitting unqualified students because they are minorities. As a current student I am benefiting from the perspectives my fellow students bring to the classroom. The University has an incredibly small percentage of minorities and should continue their efforts to to bring diversity to the College. As for the study, the EO should explain how they obtained the statistics. "

Mark wrote on October 8, 2008 6:43 pm:
" I don't see the inherent problem with the Law College admitting some minorities who are "less qualified" than others. As long as they are qualified, there is a benefit to everybody to add some diversity, especially in a state such as Nebraska where a lot of peoples' exposure to minorities is limited.
I do see a problem if the university is admitting unqualified minorities instead of other qualified students. In my second year of law school here, about half of the African American students did not return. From what I had heard, this happened the year before also. If they are not capable of succeeding in the law school environment, then the school is doing no one a favor by admitting them. "

lawschoolgrad wrote on October 8, 2008 6:43 pm:
" I'm a white male who graduated from law school at UNL. I know a minority who had to repeat his first year of law school. I know it was due to uncontrollable extenuating circumstances, and not due to being an idiot. He is now a member of the bar in a couple states and one of the best lawyers I know -- if I knew someone who needed representation in his area of practice and jurisdiction, I would recommend him over anyone else. I know another minority female who had to take longer to complete law school. I also knew her personally. Her reasons were extraordinary and totally understandable. I'm surprised she stuck with it. While I got along with most students there, there was a bit of a superiority complex among some white students. "

JT wrote on October 8, 2008 7:01 pm:
" There's no way that this "study" is reliable. A church-based research group? Really? "

current law student wrote on October 8, 2008 7:26 pm:
" The Law College does not discriminate against whites. There are so few black students at UNL College of Law I would say that the law school should admit more blacks and minorities. Those white students who feel that they were qualified to get into the Law College should apply to other schools--don't put all your eggs into one basket! Perhaphs, they were qualified for UNL but not to other law schools. Getting accepted into ANY law school is a toss-up no matter what your grades and LSAT. Having a certain LSAT ad GPA doesnt mean automatic acceptance, I mean come on, even Harvard doesnt take every qualified applicant...it's impossible. Instead of whining apply again or find a different career.

I'm sure there are plenty of white students at the Law College who shouldnt be there...I see some of their dumb faces every day. "

MarkyMark wrote on October 8, 2008 7:38 pm:
" I am not the Marky Mark from the above statement. I am the Marky Mark you have all come to know and love here on the LJS posts.

I just want to reitterate what the Asian Female said on her "To Pen" response. This is not about preferences, this is about equality. Put up or shut up Rednecks!

84% are white, yet they are whining about an anti-white discrimination? This white supremecy crap has to end in order to create harmony in our country. As a 54 year old white male, I am tired of the white man standing on top of the minorities. I can't wait until we are all one color in a couple of hundred years. Then we can put all this racial BS behind us. "

Re um... wrote on October 8, 2008 7:54 pm:
" I'd be happy to take a reading comprehension test with you - it is part of the LSAT, after all. The point was a sarcastic response to an obviously flawed argument. This claim of discrimination by whites is flawed beyond belief - we're in Nebraska for crying out loud, real racism is much more worrisome in Nebraska than reverse racism. "

Show me the numbers wrote on October 8, 2008 7:57 pm:
" Under federal law there is no way that this group could see any of the student data, even in an anonymous form, without permission from the students. The Law college says they didn't give any racial data to this group. How exactly did this group perform their analysis? If you have no data, not given any data and not allowed to even look at the data, what are you doing? "

JpS wrote on October 8, 2008 8:26 pm:
" I have only two very brief comments: (1) what a bunch of BULL, and (2) we need affirmative action in Nebraska..or..a level playing field and opportunity for everyone!! "

JC wrote on October 8, 2008 9:08 pm:
" This kind of bias exists throughout the University. I'm surprised that this is the only example making headlines. If I had a dime for everytime I've heard about or seen a scholarship opportunity that was only offered to you if you are a minority... I mean it would cause a huge uproar if I offered a scholarship but only to whites. When are we going to start seeing each other as Americans instead of seperate groups? Offer opportunities to the best qualified, regardless of race. "

UNL Law Student wrote on October 8, 2008 9:22 pm:
" As a former UNL law student, I can attest to the Center for Equal Opportunity's study is absolutely correct. The problem isn't so much in admitting underqualified minority students (although that is a problem), it's the fact the UNL gives them massive amounts of scholarship money they simply shouldn't receive.

For example, when a less qualified minority student comes the UNL on a full-ride scholarship and has failing grades at the end of their first year, the law school invites them back, and gives them the same full-ride scholarship. That's right, they fail out and then are offered the exact same scholarship. (Aside: It happens very often that underqualified, full-ride minority students fail their first year. In fact, a couple years ago, almost all full-ride, underqualified minority students failed out. this is one reason there are so few minority students now.) The law school does not do this for strictly merit-based scholarship recipients, but they do so with less academically qualified minority students. If that doesn't violate the 14th Amendment of the Constitution I don't know what could.

And let's keep in mind, the law school discriminates in favor of certain minority groups and against others. Its diversity program targets relatively few Native Americans, Indians (i.e., people from India), Polynesians, or other Asians. No, the law school doles out the vast majority of its scholarship dollars to blacks Americans, and to some, but far fewer, Latinos. Thus, their discrimination is even discriminatory against most minorities. Again, I hear the 14th Amendment screaming, "What the hell!?"

And, please, don't call me a racist for my assessment. I am the adoptive father of a black American son. All I want is for my son to be treated the same as everyone else before the law (which, incidentally, is what the Fourteenth Amendment mandates). The thought a government agency would give him scholarship money when he is less qualified than another Indian, Polynesian, white, or Asian (thereby taking away another's opportunity for a better future) is atrocious and morally repugnant.

Finally, as Chief Justice Roberts so eloquently penned: "The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race." "

UNL College of Law student wrote on October 8, 2008 10:45 pm:
" I wanted to add a couple things from what I posted earlier. To begin with, this article was originally posted as an AP article, and was apparently replaced with Melissa Lee's article a couple hours later. I posted before the change, which means that at least the first 17 posts might be referring to the old headline "Study: UNL College of Law discriminates against whites." I don't even know for sure if there are as many black law students there as they claim, and as the article says, there is no way the study could have had access to the type of data they say they used. Looking at the actual study, it says they were given the data by a "Project SEAPHE," which from quick Google research isn't even a real organization, but has only been referred to a couple times in anti-affirmative action-related "studies." Go to the Center for Equal Opportunity's website and see it for yourself.

This study was conducted by a "conservative think tank" as SourceWatch calls them, not a "nonprofit research institution" as they call themselves. The study obviously fabricated its data, since looking at the average LSAT scores, I can tell you that they would not converge to meet the 156 mean LSAT score and 3.55 mean GPA the incoming 2007 1L class (my class) actually had, and besides this, there is no raw data or statistical analysis (aside from vague charts) included in the study, which implies that they never had any to begin with. It's too bad the paper wants to even report on this, since being unbiased gives the "CEO" what they want--unfounded reasons for people to vote on the anti-affirmative action bill coming up. The anti-affirmative action petitioners around the city-county building earlier this year were equally misleading.

The purpose of affirmative action, basically, is to offset the adversity minorities face every day. In this case, it also encourages minorities to pursue higher education and careers as professionals. And since there are more than 300 minority adults in the world and yet not all the seats in my classes are filled with minority students, I think it could be a lot "worse" for whites. I would also like to restate that LSAT scores do not mean someone is going to be a good lawyer, and students don't get admitted "under bar" since they haven't taken the Bar yet! When you hire a lawyer, do you ask what class rank they were or what their GPA was? No, because as long as they pass the rigorous Bar Exam, they know all they need to know to get started as a lawyer. "

Scholarships wrote on October 8, 2008 11:21 pm:
" Just as an FYI - many of the scholarships that people are complaining about here are not ones that the school "chooses" to give to minority students. Many scholarships are donated with specific intent in mind. Many are donated to benefit a certain group or subset of the school population. The law college doesn't just choose to give these scholarships to minorities, they give them because that's what the giver specified the money was for and that's what the school is respecting.

Again, people without facts should not be making judgments here. And those who don't understand why diversity is important in a law school should stop by the building - I'm sure there would be a number of people willing to discuss the issue with you. "

BHY wrote on October 9, 2008 8:24 am:
" I'm glad to see that so many people can see this accusation for what it really is: the ridiculous product of a deeply conservative and very anti-affirmative action interest group.

To say that anything in Nebraska is "anti-white" is laughable. "

alum wrote on October 9, 2008 8:32 am:
" This policy doesn't do anyone any favors. Minorities get a break getting into law school, but don't get special treatment once they are there. Look at the percentage of minorities who don't pass first year compared to the percentage of whites who don't pass. While I see how it is important to have a diverse class, the school also has a responsibility to make sure they aren't setting students up for failure. "

its not about the percents people wrote on October 9, 2008 9:09 am:
" Percentages of acceptance don't mean ANYTHING. What matters is what qualifies people to get into the program. If there were 100 people that applied to the program (50 black, 50 white) and only 50 people were admitted into the program, then how those 50 people are determined is what matters. NOT what the starting numbers are. If all 50 black applicants scored 95% on their tests qualifying them for entrance, but out of the 50 white applicants only 5 scored above 95+%, I would expect the incoming class to consist of 45 black students and 5 white students. Does that mean that the acceptance rates show racism? No, because only the best candidates selected only on their merits as students were selected.

On a side note-- this STATE is not very diverse compared to others!!!!
If you went to Hawaii you would have classes with 50+% asian/pacific islanders. If you went to lousiana you would have classes with 50+% african-americans. If you went to schools in the southwest your hispanic % would increase as well. If you want diversity go to a school in an area with more diversity!!! "

Why wrote on October 9, 2008 9:17 am:
" Why isn't diversity so important in the athletic department? How manyasians or hispanics are on our football team? "

Matt wrote on October 9, 2008 9:38 am:
" I think part of the problem here is that people seem to be equating "better qualified" with "higher test score." That's not necessarily accurate. "

Mikhail wrote on October 9, 2008 10:13 am:
" Why affirmative action is necessary: Minority students do not have the same opportunities (at middle school, high school, and post-secondary levels) as whites. "

Gerard Harbison wrote on October 9, 2008 10:28 am:
" "UNL College of Law student" is posting false information. Project SEAPHE is a national research consortium of 20 law professors and headed by Richard Sander, Professor of Law at UCLA, and funded by the Searle Trust. It's been profiled in Chronicle of Higher Education and elsewhere. Steve Wilborn gave the data to Sander.

If you have a subscription to CHE, you can read all about it here:

http://chronicle.com/weekly/v54/i19/19a01901.htm "

the real mary wrote on October 9, 2008 11:30 am:
" Here's what I found out about SEAPHE and the Searle Trust:
"Sander is conducting his research through a consortium called Project SEAPHE, which received funding from the Searle Freedom Trust, a foundation that also funds Right-wing groups such as the American Enterprise Institute, Heritage Foundation, Federalist Society and the Pacific Legal Foundation."
Yeah, I'm sure SEAPHE is totally unbiased and untainted by any right-wing agenda. I am SO reassured now. Thanks for the tipoff GH! "

Gerard Harbison wrote on October 9, 2008 12:19 pm:
" I notice 'the real mary' failed to provide her source. It's actually something that calls itself 'the equal justice society', a pro-AA society run by the former chair of the Hawaii Young Democrats, Keith Kamisugi. Mr Kamisugi's opinion is just that, an opinion. He is not a legal scholar, unlike the members of project SEAPHE.

My source, the Chronicle of Higher Education, is the major newspaper of academia; you can find a copy of it in any University Dean's office. "

To Me wrote on October 9, 2008 12:20 pm:
" I don't think the issue is being discriminated against when you're at law school. I think the issue is being discriminated against when you APPLY to law school. As a white woman at UNL college of law, this article makes it sound like I was pretty lucky to be accepted. "

Hey tough me too wrote on October 9, 2008 12:27 pm:
" I got gas at the gas station right by my house one time and used my debit card to pay. Punched in my PIN and the lady asked to see ID. Okay, that's cool. Then after looking at my ID she asked for a SECOND form of ID. I decided to have my husband go in and pay the next time (he's white) because the same cashier was working. He never even asked him for one form of ID let alone two.

Main point to this, sorry if I don't feel bad about white folks feeling discriminated against. Welcome to my world!!!! "

Matt wrote on October 9, 2008 1:24 pm:
" The point you all need to get through your head is that when being admitted to law school you don't simply just take a test!

Its also based on your background, your life experiences, job experience, and a whole host of "non-quantitative" factors.

One of those factors is overcoming obstacles in life and succeeding in spite of those obstacles. Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe, statistically, minorities are at a disadvantage to begin with and this is why sometimes a person who is a minority may get in over a white guy/girl with a bit higher score.

You can also take two white people and I'll guarantee there are tons of cases where white person A got into the Law College over white person B even though white person B had higher test scores. It is NOT all about a test!! That is merely ONE factor!

Furthermore, comparing the absolute numbers is ridiculous! You have to compare the number of those accepted versus the number that applied! "

JB wrote on October 9, 2008 2:23 pm:
" Sorry for the average white student. Affirmative action is alright with me. Just makes me want to get better inorder to stand out. "

Blanca wrote on October 9, 2008 6:06 pm:
" What comes around, goes around! As a Latina I have felt discrimination repeatedly. The treatment of my countrymen and women has been horrible. No human being is illegal! With all of the discrimination against people of color, it is natural that progressive actions much be taken to bring about true equality and to make up for past abuses. "

UNL College of Law student wrote on October 10, 2008 12:34 am:
" I doubt very many people are reading this anymore, but I would just like to say one more thing. I didn't make anything up in my post, and everything I mentioned can be looked up. The GPA and LSAT scores are summarized on http://law.unl.edu/admissions/faqs#2, and the "CEO" study this article is based on is on their website here http://www.ceousa.org/content/view/627/119/ (but, of course, the raw data and statistical analysis isn't). Doing a web search on "Project SEAPHE" or what its acronym stands for comes up with less than 20 unique hits, none of which lie on an academic site and all of which mention the words "against affirmative action" and "agenda." Most references are merely on comment sections or anti-affirmative action blogs, so there's not a single reputable source about them. The only thing the article you mention says about the Project is what Mr. Harbison mentioned in his comment. By the way, that same article can be read for free here: http://www.equaljusticesociety.org/statebar/Scholars_Mount_Sweeping_Effort_to_Measure_Effects_of_Affirmative_Action_in_Higher_Education.pdf

Dean Willborn would not give this data out, since it is confidential and protected by privacy laws, just as any other permanent records that the student doesn't give consent to access are. There's so little that we can do on this comment section. I don't normally say this, but it's time to write to your newspaper and explain to the people who read that article that the study is rigged. "

Isaiah wrote on October 10, 2008 9:51 am:
" I guess we should just let numbers dictate all admissions. Just use test scores and grades. Community involvement? Nah. Extracurricular activities? Nope. Leadership positions? Who cares. As a matter of fact, let's extend that to the workforce, too. Instead of resumes, just put your name on a 3 x 5 card with your number (GPA, test score) - higher number gets the job. Period. Wouldn't that be great? Sometimes numbers aren't the only "qualifications." "

JB wrote on October 10, 2008 9:54 am:
" Checkout www.bigmoneyconnerly.com for information on the group supporting this "affirmative action" ban. If only 10% of the information given is true there would be no way a normal person could support this ban. Says the man behind it made 8 million using non-profits as personal ATM. Group gave $550,000 for Nebraska petition vs $42,000 in state. "

Gerard Harbison wrote on October 10, 2008 10:19 am:
" 'UNL College of Law student' really needs to bone up on the Federal Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). According to the Department of Education guidelines "a document containing only non-personally identifiable data, even when originally taken from a student’s education record, is not a part of the student’s education records for purposes of FERPA." This allows universities to release information to researchers, as long as the information does not personally identify the student. That is what has allowed Project SEAPHE to collect data from dozens of universities. Since, for example, there were 14 African-American admittees in 2007, there is no way to infer the GPA or LSAT score of any admittee from the data provided, and FERPA does not come into play.

It is significant that Dean Willborn merely says he did not release the data to CEO (and CEO agrees; they say they got it from Project SEAPHE). He does not contest its accuracy. "

JB wrote on October 10, 2008 11:11 am:
" 14 blacks! How can that be? Should be a lot more. Get that "affirmative action" working. Check out the web site about Ward Connerly, the man making money from non-profits. 8 million! "

So wrote on October 10, 2008 12:20 pm:
" Here's a question I'd like answered. Did any of the accepted white students have lower scores than any of the rejected white applicants? Why do they only talk about the rejected white applicants? "

David wrote on October 10, 2008 1:10 pm:
" just look at any college campus in the USA and then look at the general population. what you will find is that colleges are FAR MORE DIVERSE than the general population. they are the ones driving "diversity" programs. "

Nildjat wrote on October 10, 2008 1:19 pm:
" It is also significant that the University does not combat this study by releasing statistics showing that the percentages of students who fail their first year in the "with qualifying test scores" group versus the percentage of students who fail in the "without qualifying test scores" group are similar... because they don't have them.

In all the studies I've seen, the failure rate of those admitted without qualifying test scores, but with (presumably) more community involvement, leadership skills and a "more diverse background" is significantly higher than the failure rate of the students who's test scores qualified them (so much for the argument that those "other" qualities should somehow make them just as successful).

Now, I believe this would be true whether the "lower test score" students were minorities or not... only the University does not let white men into the group of students with "lower test scores" because of Affirmative Action, so we might never know.

And woe be it to the white men who actually think their "community involvement" and "leadership skills" are just as important a factor to consider for them as for the minorities with those attributes -- here in Nebraska, we act like it counts more if you have a different color of skin (since some people continually like to argue that physical attributes are synonymous with "diversity").

Of course there are exceptions to every rule... but if we are going to spend time, energy and money on allowing minorities the chance to surpass the usual expectations, why can't we allow ALL people that chance, fair and square? This to me is an unproductive method for diversifying the field of Law and Justice in our country. Again, we need to work harder to make sure a proportionate number of minorities are able to submit adequate test scores when they get to the university level. How we do that is another issue altogether... "

an asian man wrote on October 10, 2008 1:39 pm:
" Lincoln has been the most homogeneous (or white) palce I have lived in the U.S. Unlike most of other places I have been, some pathetic students and people here talk about 'reverse' discrimination having no ideas about what it means to those minorities. Being minorities is not on the level of whether getting accepted to a college or not.

One time, some stupid young white kids yelled at me. "Go back to your country." Yes. In Lincoln. One of the hispanic professors at UNL confessed me she had those moments in downtown lincoln several times. Was she a minority hire? No idea. But, I know that she did not feel comfortable and left for a way better place with much higher salary.
I think we lost one of the best teachers. I feel quite disgusted with some mindlessly selfish and narrow views.

Try hard, and you (who support the ban) may find a fair society where you don't see much differences among those you work or study with. Ethnically, financially, and culturally. You will get your fair society
and some will find it unacceptable in any sense.

And, you don't have to worry about me. I plan to leave for somewhere else. Some would not know what they are getting and what they are losing. Just sad. "

UNL student wrote on October 11, 2008 10:37 am:
" I can't believe people say that "its ok for whites to be discriminated against for awhile!" Are you kidding me...when did ANY discrimination become ok??!! I think that law school/jobs/college admittance should be colorblind...why is race a factor AT ALL?! It should be based on MERIT. It is not fair to say that blacks/minorities have fewer opportunities...when that is not even true, especially these days. What about the poor white people? I am NOT racist...but affirmative action IS reverse racism. Why don't we just be color blind and let race not matter? "

UNL student wrote on October 11, 2008 10:40 am:
" Fact: The percentage of black students in UNL law school is proportionate to the percentage of blacks in Nebraska. "

Wow wrote on October 16, 2008 10:10 am:
" Half of you are missing the point. The fact is, and is well known amongst students at the law college, that minority students are admitted more readily with below class-average scores and GPAs than non-minorty students. Yes, there is certainly more to admissions than test scores and undergraduate GPA, however, these things are VERY good indicators of one's ability to succeed in law school academically--not just to be able to have a diverse opinion to add to classroom discussion. That is the very reason LSAT and GPA comparisons exist in admission decisions. Ask the law school for the statistics regarding retention rates of the minority students admitted, it is appalling. By admitting students who are unlikely to suceed, the law school only wastes it's own resources and these student's time and money. I forget the exact numbers, but of the 10-15 minority students who were admitted to my first year class, less than 5 became second year students and about 11-12 people total failed out of our class of 142. THAT is the problem. "

Wow is Right wrote on October 17, 2008 1:47 pm:
" I graduated from the law school, and Wow is right. LSAT scores, GPA, and class rank are good predictors of someone's ability to successfully complete law school. When students with lower academic credentials are admitted and not given any additional resources to succeed, they have a high likelihood of failing out. This is exactly what I watched happen in my class. Almost all the minorities in my class failed out, and at least 2 of the minorities that actually did graduate with us failed the bar. Do you think this experience with diversity that I have just described has enlightened me and my classmates, or do you think it perpetuated any stereotypes of minorities that we might have already held? "