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By ZACH PLUHACEK / Lincoln Journal Star

Monday, Oct 06, 2008 - 05:16:06 pm CDT

“The Holocaust of abortion is like Hitler reaching out of the grave to win,” said David Ford, a 70-year-old member of Christ Temple Church.

He and hundreds of other anti-abortion protesters lined O Street in a “Life Chain” Sunday.

Some explained their presence using personal stories, like 38-year-old Marie Kleinschmit, who stood near 33rd Street.

“I used to be a liberal pro-choicer,” she said. Then she got pregnant and saw her ultrasound. “There was a baby there at six weeks.”

Nearby, Father Sean Kilcawley offered his philosophy:

“I love all people, and a person is a person from the moment of conception.”

There was no counter protest.

Father Chris Kubat said he wished he didn’t need to protest.

“I pray for the day we don’t have to stand out here and pray for this issue,” he said.

He and others in the chain said they believe pro-choice individuals have “hard hearts.”

Even the hardest hearts can soften, Kubat said.

“I feel bad for all the children that have been lost,” said 46-year-old Dawn Daarud.

Dick Zierke, 57, was there to fulfill his religious duty: “We’re just doing what we’re supposed to do as committed Catholics.”

Christina Hanus, 12, stood with her family on North Cotner Boulevard.

“To me,” she said, “abortion is like a murder, and people should be able to have the choice of whether they live or not.”

Then there was 19-year-old Seth Brauning, who simply hoped to hear about more mothers giving birth. He shared a story about a woman at his college.

“She had just found out she was pregnant ... and thankfully,” he said, “she will be saving the baby.”

Reach Zach Pluhacek at 473-7306 or zpluhacek@journalstar.com.


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GMP wrote on October 6, 2008 4:48 am:
" We do not have "hard hearts". "

GasMiser wrote on October 6, 2008 7:28 am:
" God Bless you all for going out there and doing this! If you made one person change their mind, it was well worth the effort. "

... wrote on October 6, 2008 8:28 am:
" Religious fanaticism at its finest. These are the people that influence legislature in our country. "

breches wrote on October 6, 2008 8:29 am:
" Thank all of you for taking time to speak out for those who are unable to speak for themselves!! I pray that someday we'll look back and be horrified at ourselves, looking at abortion the same way we look at slavery now! It amazes me how people are able to justify murder by renaming it, calling it choice. REPENT AMERICA though I fear it may be too late!!!! "

Ethical1 wrote on October 6, 2008 8:38 am:
" At 6 weeks the ultrasound shows a mass of cells, nothing more. There is no "baby" there. And to label all people who support pro choice as having "hard hearts" is callous and cruel. Pro lifers act as if people who have an abortion make the choice in the same manner as they choose where to eat. Its a gut wrenching, heart breaking decision for most. But in the end, those that decide to proceed usually believe that option is the best decision. For pro lifers to sit in judgment of pro choicers is wrong. Who gives you the right to sit back and judge us, and for some of you, heckle and protest outside of the clinic? Its disgusting and hurtful, and selfish. Yes, selfish. You claim pro choice people are selfish because we are having an abortion, yet you have no qualms about doing serious emotional damage to those who choose to exercise their SUPREME COURT given right to decide. And dont try to argue that we are more selfish, there are truly no winners here. "

to GMP wrote on October 6, 2008 8:43 am:
" Apologies for the judgemental tones of the article- not all of us pro-lifers think pro-choice people aren't caring or don't feel. Too many times church words used in public settings carry the wrong tone and end up doing more damage than good. For this I apologize for all of us.

I think (and Father Kubat, please correct me if I misconstrue your remarks) that the reference to "hard hearts" related more to spiritual openess than to emotional status. "Hard hearts" I believe comes from the scripture relating to the exedus of the Jews from Egypt when Pharoah had his "heart hardened" to listening to the request of the Jews/God (and thus leading up to more plagues and more signs and miracles of God's favor of the Jews). This scripture, taken contextually, refers to Pharaoh not being open to God's desires for the Jewish people. While many would argue within the church that this would be an appropriate parallel to pro-choice people not listening to God's desire of having child taken to term and thus entirely appropriate to use in discussion of abortion, I think this kind of terminology doesn't belong in a discussion of abortion as it can obviously be misconstrued and should be left out of an emotionally charged subject. "

hard hearts wrote on October 6, 2008 9:13 am:
" How many of you "soft hearted" "pro-lifers" have adopted? Or opened your home to foster kids? Check the log in your own eye before you point out the speck in mine. "

DrFeelGood wrote on October 6, 2008 9:30 am:
" Good for you, but realize that RoeVWade isn't going away any time soon. You best effort should be spent providing unwilling parents with an alternative to abortion. "

Vern wrote on October 6, 2008 9:37 am:
" You should be thankful that you have the CHOICE to protest. Women should have the choice to do with their bodies as they wish. "

JB wrote on October 6, 2008 9:51 am:
" How about birth control? Can't have it both ways. Against both ends. "

and you wrote on October 6, 2008 9:55 am:
" And what will YOU be doing to provide other options? Start a home for scared and pregnant teens with nowhere to go? Volunteer at the Crisis Pregnancy Center? Teach your sons to respect themselves, young women, and their futures enough to choose to abstain? Teach your daughters the value of chastity? Standing there does little to provide young women with REAL alternatives. What can YOU do today to help make it possible for a woman choose otherwise? (I'm Pro-choice and soft hearted, by the way) "

annoyed wrote on October 6, 2008 10:08 am:
" i think all these "protesters" could have better spent their time volunteering with the city mission or something like that, rather than standing around on sidewalks holding up a useless sign. what a waste of time! come on, are all those "abortion kills" (DUH, btw) signs REALLY going to change anyone's mind? and how hypocritical of these people to want to ban abortion, but then want to cut funding for poor families who can't afford food and shelter for their children. forcing women to have unwanted babies leads to unwanted kids who get abused and ignored by their parents and society. "

ItsAboutLove wrote on October 6, 2008 10:11 am:
" I was there. I am a Peaceful protestor.

And I've seen 3D ultrasounds. Its amazing how much detail you can see as early as 6-8 weeks. The arms and legs and head and little body. Its not a "ball of cells" its a tiny persons growing. "

prochoice wrote on October 6, 2008 10:12 am:
" Every woman has the right to choose. Some women abuse this right, but it has to be hard for the women that had to make that hard choice to see those distrubing and grotesque signs that those protesters hold up. Its bad enough explaining to my young child. Have some class. "

figures... wrote on October 6, 2008 10:18 am:
" "as committed catholics". I would have never guessed that one. I have many friends that are "committed catholics" that do not try and tell me how to live my life. They live theirs as they feel they should but to pass judgements or beliefs onto others is plain wrong.

Hi pot, I'm kettle. I believe the little boys that were molested throughout the country and the world should have had the choice to not be. Thoughts? "

Rose wrote on October 6, 2008 10:21 am:
" A perfect example of a group of people complaining about a "problem", but not bothering to offer any solutions to the "problem". "

Pro-Choice wrote on October 6, 2008 10:26 am:
" A rabidly pro-life colleague once told me she would never adopt because she wouldn't want to take in "someone else's problem" and with adoption "you don't know what you're going to get".

Another one read me the riot act for helping a relative who was a single mother of a three year old, nine months pregnant and sick with a kidney infection. "You're just supporting her bad choices to have children outside of marriage" the woman told me. It was a Saturday. She had spent the morning protesting at an abortion clinic.

In my humble opinion, more lives would be enriched if these people poured their energy into helping single mothers and their children and supporting public policy that does the same. "

Just maybe wrote on October 6, 2008 10:28 am:
" Why does this arguement even exist? Whether it is a "mass of cells" or a baby, abortion is no where near "choice." It is control. It is putting your desires or "plans" if you will, in front of a victim, who can't choose and acting on it with malicious intention to end life or the possibility of life. That, by definition, is murder. You can institutionalize your thought processes all you want, but the fact is, a heart STOPS beating when you get an abortion. I am pretty sure the female didn't have two hearts...so, a baby it actually was. "

ProLifer and proud of it wrote on October 6, 2008 10:47 am:
" A 'mass of cells at 6 weeks' and you don't think that is a human being? If that 'mass of cells' is allowed to grow and develop for 9 months, a human being is born. At what point do you consider this mass of cells to be a living, breathing human being? When it's convenient for the nother? If an abortion is performed at say, 3 months, is this still a mass of cells? At what point in the pregnancy do you consider it a BABY?
Personally, I don't think pro-choice followers are hard-hearted, but rather ignorant of when life begins. I think most who abdicate pro-choice believe that life begins when it's convenient for the mother. Absolutely it must be a hard decision to make for a woman to walk into a clinic, knowing that she is about to kill a 'baby', not just a mass of cells. "

RAS wrote on October 6, 2008 10:54 am:
" This is ridiculous. So we make abortion illegal again, and women decide to go to nasty back-alley doctors to have it done or they do it themselves. Boy, that will really help the healthcare situation in America. I don't have a hard heart, I love my children, but am realistic when it comes to the choices women need to have available to them. "

CTB wrote on October 6, 2008 11:11 am:
" i think that abortion should be up to men, women have had all the decision making for as long as i can remember. men never get a say, if a women wants to keep the baby and the man doesn't he should be able to have her abort the baby. im not crazy, if there was rape or heavy amounts of alcohol involved then that is a different case. also, i think that it is brave and impowering of these women to look society in the face and laugh while they do with there body's what they want....god bless them and god bless there god given right to abort! "

Christian for Choice wrote on October 6, 2008 11:16 am:
" I am a mother and was adopted from birth myself, but I’m also a supporter of choice. Not an advocate for abortion, an advocate for freedom to make personal decisions and live with the consequences. I am a Christian who believes that regardless of what your heart or your ego tells you, no human has the authority to give life, only God does. I do not believe that women are choosing life or death, but rather to give birth. There are too many women who have tried to “move heaven and earth” to conceive, only to fail; and others who have carried babies to term only to deliver still-born, for me to believe otherwise. I believe that I was written in the Book of Life, and regardless of my mother’s decision, I was meant to be here. For the record, anger and protest don’t open peoples hearts or minds, knowledge does. Ultimately, in the beginning, there were Adam and Eve, and there was a choice. "

James wrote on October 6, 2008 11:36 am:
" I wonder where all these protesters were when Iraqi children were being bombed or immigrant children were being deported. I can tell you...they were at home safe and smug in their superiority and ignoring their hard hearts. "

Jen C wrote on October 6, 2008 11:38 am:
" You saw a baby there at 6 weeks? Really?? That's interesting, considering that in a normal, healthy pregnancy, ultrasounds aren't done until 20-22 weeks of pregnancy. At 6 weeks, what you have is sonething that resembles a tadpole about 1/2" long, not a "baby". I was pro-choice before the birth of both of my children too, and I'm STILL pro-choice. "

Jack wrote on October 6, 2008 11:51 am:
" Maybe a sign that reads "Abstinence Saves Babies" and "Birth Control Saves Babies" would be appropriate. If only Pro Lifer's could exert as much energy educating and PREVENTING PREGNANCY in the first place, you wouldn't be standing on the streets protesting. "

jab wrote on October 6, 2008 11:57 am:
" So sad. The "choice" here comes before conception when a couple decides to have sex outside of marriage. Then the 'problem' of conception is solved by ripping the baby out of the womb. I would like to use nicer terms, but there aren't any. I know that for some, abortion is a gut-wrenching decision, but it is no less a horrific end for the baby. Some try to justify by calling the baby a "mass of cells". Within those "masses" the heart begins to beat during days 21-24 (that's when it can be detected); most major organs are developed during weeks 3 through 8. These developments have already taken place by the time most women find out they are pregnant. I have worked at a Crisis Pregnancy Center; please believe me when I say they are there to help. If you decide to keep the baby or lovingly give the baby to adoptive parents, the CPC will come along beside you and help with supplies or with whatever the need may be. There are better choices to make than abortion, before and after conception. "

have adopted wrote on October 6, 2008 12:12 pm:
" We have adopted and what a blessing it is!! A baby is a baby look at the ultrasound. You cannot tell me it is tissue, it has a beating heart. But I cannot sway you people who think the other.....I will pray for you and I will continue to pray for the unborn. Since they cannot speak someone needs to speak for them. What I would like to know though is how many of you have seen the late term abortion, where the baby is almost born and scissors jabbed into the back of the baby's head. Now how can you live with that, knowing that that IS a baby?? I will keep praying.... "

Promote wrote on October 6, 2008 12:13 pm:
" Promoting the birth of future Safe Haven abandonees. "

Eric wrote on October 6, 2008 12:23 pm:
" I like Fr. K's quote much better than 12-year-old Christina's. "Love all people" is a much better approach than calling them murderers. Even the law says that not every taking-of-a-life is murder. Pro-choicers may have hard hearts, and many women considering abortion do so with heavy hearts, but I doubt any of them have evil in their hearts. Abortion is a sin of weakness, not of malice, so let's be lovingly compassionate with these people and destroy the evil at the root of this epidemic. "

MEK wrote on October 6, 2008 12:34 pm:
" Blanket comments on both sides of the issue do not help any woman who is facing an unplanned pregnancy and may be alone and scared. Many pro lifers do adopt and foster parent and volunteer in crisis pregnancy shelters. We also are educating our children about the sacredness of sex within a loving marriage. We are not simply standing in protest. I know pro-choicers are not hard-hearted. By using these generalized statements we are not coming together to help stop the emotional pain caused by abortion, we are only creating wider and greater divisions among us. All of us want the same thing... To protect and value all women and children. "

To jack wrote on October 6, 2008 12:34 pm:
" I like your placard idea. I agree, most pro-life groups would be received better if they focused on the alternatives rather than terrorizing people who have already made up their mind regarding having a procedure done.

But, it would also be irresponsible to ignore the end-result of not listening to the abstinence message. I think it would be best that when picketing against abortion, they should be emphasizing the other options (adoption, assistance programs, etc) rather than focusing on how terrible abortion is. "

nemo wrote on October 6, 2008 12:39 pm:
" i respect your views as "pro-lifers" but I ask you to respect mine and that is a person is not alive until they take a breath. Adam and Eve were not alive until God breathed life into them. I really think it would be much more helpful if you would spend your time and money taking care of unwanted children that are already in this world. "pro-choicers" are just that, not "hard hearted" pro death. "

ItsAboutLove wrote on October 6, 2008 12:44 pm:
" We do offer alternatives to these women, but they rarely get the chance to hear the alternatives because the 'escorts' drown out the offers of REAL help -- financial, medical, etc.


And Ethical, educate yourself about fetal development, cause the heart starts to beat at 18 days after conception. 3D Ultrasounds show a lot more detail as early as 6-8 weeks you can see a tiny little human being growing -- with tiny arms and tiny legs and a little head. "

MY BODY MY CHOICE wrote on October 6, 2008 12:47 pm:
" I have to say that this is a great country that all EVERYONE a right to their own opinion and the freedom to express it. I believe that sex education starts @ home and thankfully for those children that don't hear it @ home there is school. However, it always takes two-one shouldn't fault the girl who got pregnant- it is also the boy as well. A lot of pressure these kids/ young adults feel come from their own families. Yes there are alteratives, but are the parents going to help them thru it until they give birth?? Then what role does the boy play when the girl is going thru 9 mos of being pregnant? Does he get off scott-free with no responsiblity to this girl? In most cases yes. I believe that abortion is okay if it is a result of rape or incest..., but not used as a form of birth control. Making the choice and the after afact is very hard. I do believe it is the woman's choice what she does with her body.Should a boy/ man have a say- to some extent yes.. They don't have to carry the baby for 9 mos. their hormones don't go wacko and we all know most wouldn't survive labor. Everything starts @ home with mom and dad- talk to your kids and you know telling them that they can't have sex until they are 40 doesn't help. It WILL happen no matter what you say, but you have to educate and make them as informed and believe that they will make the best decision that you know they can when the time comes. "

connie wrote on October 6, 2008 12:49 pm:
" I would have liked this story a lot better if it had been a report that this event was going to take place so I could've gone down there and told these people that I think they are a bunch of barbaric, inhuman, wild-eyed psychopaths if they think it's perfectly fine to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term against her will.
I am not your incubator. "

Lisa wrote on October 6, 2008 12:52 pm:
" I am glad you have the right to choose pro-life for yourself - but guess what, you choose for YOURself.

Don't you DARE tell me what I can and can not do to MY body! EVER!!! "

E Jr wrote on October 6, 2008 1:13 pm:
" It is just amazing to me that in the year 2008 we are still politicizing a medical procedure. Why isn't anybody protesting hip replacements? Seems pretty unnatural and I don't remember reading about them in the Bible. Maybe the Supreme Court can decide if those should be illegal, too. "

eddie wrote on October 6, 2008 1:16 pm:
" The devil favors aborting the Supreme Being's little human beings. The devil is desperate to keep abortion legal. With every abortion, the devil feels he has stuck is thumb in the Creator's eye. Legalized abortion is one of the devil's greatest tactics for adding to his "kingdom of the damned" "

Two things wrote on October 6, 2008 1:25 pm:
" First of all, does quality of life mean nothing to pro-lifers? As someone already stated, unwanted babies too often lead to abuse and even death. Where are all you pro-lifers AFTER the baby is born? Does it matter to you at all that those unwanted babies are very often abused, tortured? At least they're living, right?

Number two, how can a "choice" be abused? If I have 10 abortions, every one of them is my choice. What is an acceptable number then?

It all boils down to the same thing--whether I have one abortion or 10, it's MY business, NOT YOURS! "

TinkBelle wrote on October 6, 2008 1:28 pm:
" I agree in believing "ProChoice"= Hard Hearts. I was once there myself.
People balk over the numbers of those killed in wars...(yes, war IS a tragedy and the witness of Evil in this world). How trite when compared to the number of those killed in abortions in our own "safe haven", the United States. Ethical, don't preach about what is involved in a decision to abort. Often women are coerced, threatened into having abortions. IF this wasn't "LEGAL", people like myself and millions more I'm sure would not have been had our babies ripped from us either by "well intentioned" persons, ie parents, spouses or significant others. Do Not be Deceived. Others do make the decision on their own. I've also know those who have used it as birth control...that is pathetic. One I knew went 4 times in 2 years. Planned Parenthood offered free abortions at the time, and she didn't "want to" use birth control b/c she wasn't that kind of girl. Might have been the pot she smoked. Who knows. Thank God "fanatics" (LOL!!! OK, if you say do:) like us influence legislation. I shudder to think where we would be if we didn't. We are on the slippery slope as it is b/c lack of morality. From me, an "old fashioned" "left over" "hippie":) Flower child was my mantra.

I held a 16 week spontaneous aborted little girl in the palm of my hands. THAT was the moment I was forever changed.

It IS Murder. "

NOTICE wrote on October 6, 2008 1:35 pm:
" None of these pro-lifers and "good catholics" are coming up with solutions or answering questions regarding education. They don't believe in birth control and then they call the young women who do get pregnant irresponsible for doing so.

Here's a hypothetical for all of you:

Your daughter gets raped and becomes pregnant. Do you feel she should have this child? Are you willing to help raise a child that was created out of such a violent and sick act? Oh, maybe she should just put the child up for adoption so it can be raised by the state.

We know none of you will actually lift a finger to help except to call her a sinner... "

funny wrote on October 6, 2008 1:51 pm:
" It is funny how the pro-abortion crowd calls these protesters crazy and that they should be doing this or that, like volunteering and the like. When the crazy nutbags from any left-wing group protest anything, they are said to be noble for practicing their 1st amendment rights. Just more evidence of how the left isn't intersted in free speech or tolerance, they are only interested in left-wing speech, all other speech must be stopped. When the Messiah is elected you can all burn your constitutions, because marxism is about to happen. "

John wrote on October 6, 2008 1:52 pm:
" How about helping with all these unwanted babies and single parent families? Spending all your time protecting a non-living and forget about the real living. "

Outside the Box wrote on October 6, 2008 2:06 pm:
" So let's say Roe is overturned and unwanted pregnancies are carried full term. These babies will then be left under the Safe Haven law and become wards of the state.

As much as I'd like to pay to raise these kids, I'd rather have the anti-abortion folks address the root of the problem: using birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies. "

pro-choice opinion wrote on October 6, 2008 2:12 pm:
" I am pro-choice, however I certainly respect these people taking a day out of their lives to peacfully demonstrate their beliefs. This is one of the things that make our country great. I wish they would have left their children at home though. A 5 year-old holding these signs was in poor taste- let kids be kids. They'll have to deal with these adult situations soon enough withouth our help. "

SNB wrote on October 6, 2008 2:58 pm:
" I wish I had known they were doing this, I would have been out there protesting THEM!!! Get a life!! "

Shut it wrote on October 6, 2008 3:16 pm:
" If men were able to get pregnant, RU-486 would have been sold over the counter the day after it was invented. Geesh, maybe even in gumball machines.
Oh, and people are kidding themselves if they think the Republicans are going to overturn Roe vs. Wade. They are using pro-lifers for votes and laughing at them behind closed doors.
They manipulate the voter that is concerned about this, make promises that will never happen, and in the process, use the power those voters just gave them to "stack" the Supreme Court. They're not "stacking" that court for you and your interested, they are "stacking" it for their lobbyist and personal interest that has nothing whatsoever with abortion.
This basically "illegal" practice of "stacking" the courts goes directly against what the founders of this nation designed it to do. That being, the courts complete and total separation and insulation from the Executive and Legislative parts of government. These parties both have completely abandoned this principle. This lead to such Supreme Court decisions as letting private corporations have the legal right to come to your home, purchase it at pennies on the dollar, hand you an eviction notice and put up a parking lot for their shopping center. By believing these Republican promise markers about abortion and letting them utilize your power as a voter, you've allowed a very unequal view of our Constitution to take place at the Judicial level of our government and that lopsided view lead to decision such as the one I just describe. You didn't realize you were being manipulated, and you don't realize you still are. And the price we've paid for that manipulation was the loss of a great deal of our Constitutional rights in another area, very common by the way.
The Republican and Democratic parties will never, but ever overturn it, but will go against you in many other ways with your unknowing help in the judicial part of our government, which clearly is now as messed up from this type of policy as our economy is.
Btw, Cindy McCain and Laura Bush both have publicly stated they are against overturning Roe vs Wade. Another possible reason why it hasn't and won't happen. "

Im wondering... wrote on October 6, 2008 3:18 pm:
" Why can't anyone just be pro-mind your own business? Just why do people need to care about things that don't pertain to them? It's their lives, not yours. Quit trying to live someone else's life for them. "

Pro-Choice for ever wrote on October 6, 2008 3:21 pm:
" I have never been more concerned of what people will do to get attention. I am so shocked that those people that were standing on roadside holding those signs really think that it is going to change anything. If you really want to help then put down your signs and actually help the people that are thinking about making a choice (that by the way is NOT the business of anyone else) that will be on the mind of the mother. instead of standing outside the gates. the women that choose to go through an abortion already has to put up with a million other things they dont need to be reminded of it by seeing people lined up on the side of the streets holding signs up!!! GIVE IT A BREAK and LEAVE THE WOMEN ALONE who have decided to take matters into THEIR OWN hands. You dont know their situations or the reasoning behind their doings. So if you want to help out then offer a hand and say if you choose to keep the baby i will be willing to pay for your child until they are 18 years old. Doing something like that will be helpful, NOT HOLDING UP STUPID SIGNS!!!!!!! "

To Pro-lifer and proud of it wrote on October 6, 2008 3:24 pm:
" If your 14 year old daughter was brutally raped......by her uncle......would you then call it a scheduling issue?? Just curious.

I know that was exaggerating, but people come on. Being pro-Choice is not pro-Murder. Its understanding that their are circumstances that need to be taken account for before a judgement is made. Also the over-turning of Roe v Wade begins the slippery slope of taking away a woman's right to birth control. Think of that? For the record I am an adopted child who values that I was born. I am thankful to the people who took me in and really walked the talk of being good Christians.

"

ah yes wrote on October 6, 2008 3:29 pm:
" thou shalt not kill. funny commandment that one. i've never seen close to that many people downtown protesting war and certainly war kills children as well as adults. "

To Jen C wrote on October 6, 2008 3:38 pm:
" A baby's heart starts beating at just 5 weeks. I had my first ultrasound at 8 weeks with a healthy, normal pregnancy. I could see arms, legs, and a tiny heart beating. At my 12-week appointment I could hear the heartbeat. It's not unusual to have an ultrasound that early if you're being seen by an OB/GYN and not a general practitioner. With my first pregnancy, I went to a GP and only had one ultrasound at 20 weeks. It's much different at an OB's office. "

peb wrote on October 6, 2008 3:39 pm:
" I resent the anti-abortion crowd taking over the term, "pro-life." There are many definitions of the word "life." "

Confused wrote on October 6, 2008 3:39 pm:
" Why does Seth need to hear about more mothers giving birth? Thousands of women give birth every day! How is finding out you're pregnant and "saving" the baby even considered a "story"? From talking to these protesters you would think that every single live birth was a result of them painstakingly persuading the woman to not have an abortion.

and Dick says it all: “We’re just doing what we’re supposed to do as committed Catholics.” Its amazing what the Catholic Church can convince people to do as a "religious duty." Think for yourself and let others do the same. "

Ignignokt wrote on October 6, 2008 4:05 pm:
" 'Ethical1' is factually incorrect. At 5 weeks of pregnancy, an ultrasound will reveal a heartbeat, the initial appearance of arm and leg 'buds', and most other organs will begin to develop at this stage. It is most certainly more than a simple mass of cells.

Others mention encouraging parents to seek alternatives to abortion. Well, it seems to me that most, if not all, Nebraskans have been made aware of the recently passed 'safe haven law'. If the pregnant party does not wish to keep the baby, they could leave it at a hospital, and allow the state to find a loving home for the baby.

I guess we can consider ourselves lucky that such great minds as Albert Einstein, Thomas Edison, all of the founding fathers, etc., as well as artists like Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Mozart, etc. were all born before the age of abortion. "

Im an American wrote on October 6, 2008 4:39 pm:
" Last time I checked, we live in America. This gives me the automatic right to choose what I believe in doing with my own body. So, if abortion is murder; is a miscarriage then suicide? And if I choose to carry my baby to term, even though I don't want it, are you going to take care of it? If I don't want a baby and abortion is illegal, do you think I'm going to stop using drugs and drinking? It absolutely discusts me when I see a man protesting abortion, when will you EVER have this problem? How will it EVER be your concern? When most women choose to get abortions, it is because it is the BEST choice for them and what would be a baby. Stop wasting our time and hand out some birth control pills if you're so worried about it!! "

social worker wrote on October 6, 2008 4:39 pm:
" How many of you PRO adoptioners are Adoptive parents??? i'm sure very few.. so your not really an option to the problem...
i am a social worker and once you have worked my job and seen the result of unwanted children YOU HAVE NO SAY...... I see the horrible treatment that children endure by parents who cant or dont want to care for them. THere are not enough foster or adoptive homes to house all these children. THese poor kids are born drug addicted with mental, emotional, and physical disabilities.... either they are given to the state to raise or they end up being the criminals in our community in a few years.
YES.,.. many of these unplanned pregnacies would have been better off terminated for the sake of the child and society!!!!! "

sue wrote on October 6, 2008 4:40 pm:
" Instead of standing along the street, why don't you help out the families dropping their kids off at the hospital? "

Kristine wrote on October 6, 2008 4:46 pm:
" I have yet to read a new and even compelling argument that's going to change my views on abortion. I am pro choice--why do you make that out to mean we all want everyone to have abortions?? It's that kind of distorted thinking that makes it impossible for this issue to gain any ground either way.
Incidentally, to the poster who asks if any of us have seen the late term abortion with the 'baby' stabbed through the head........you saw that in propaganda used by extreme religious fundamentalists. If you believe this to be some kind of norm, I assume you also don't have tv. "

Rey wrote on October 6, 2008 4:52 pm:
" If abortion is allowed then it should be allowed by either parent until the child reaches 18 years old. My father always told me that he helped put me in this world and he would help take me out if needed, that would be pro-choice. "

To Im Wondering wrote on October 6, 2008 10:20 pm:
" You want to know why people deal with things that don't pertain to them. Eating your own words yet? Does it pertain to you? I'm pretty sure that we're all granted the right to free speech. So the next time that people start using their personal rights as a reason for an abortion, remember that the people whose opinions you hate hearing are exercising the same liberty. Quite unlike the baby inside you who is unable to speak for him/herself. This country was built by people who stand up for the rights of others. If they hadn't then we would still have slavery in the south and segregation in our schools. Our personal freedom that allows us to protest is what has shaped America. I believe strongly in what these people are doing by speaking their minds and if you don't like it then too bad. Maybe it just doesn't concern you and you should keep to matters that "pertain to you." "

To Funny wrote on October 7, 2008 12:50 am:
" Have you ever noticed that when those "crazy nutbags from any left-wing group" protest, they're usually protesting the war which has killed 4,000 American "babies," the death penalty which kills "babies" that have been born, laws that prevent "babies" that are here from having equal civil rights? "

jo wrote on October 7, 2008 7:43 am:
" there are no good solutions, both sides have valid points & both sides have varying degrees of opinion on when if ever there could be an abortion. depressing no matter which side your on. "

CR wrote on October 7, 2008 8:25 am:
" Why should someone's "right to choose" supercede someone's right to live? "

I wrote on October 7, 2008 9:37 am:
" At 6 weeks there's a mass of cells...with a heartbeat right there in the middle. "

To Ignignokt wrote on October 7, 2008 9:42 am:
" The 'Age of Abortion' is however long humans have been getting pregnant. Abortions have been around for thousands of years. If a pregancy wasn't wanted, they could beat the belly, forcing a miscarriage, or we could speak of the coat hanger. No, abortions are as old as we are. The only recent 'age' we could speak of are SAFE abortions that protect the health of the woman in the process, because we will never, ever stop abortions from happening in one way or another. "

MOM wrote on October 7, 2008 10:10 am:
" I feel compelled to write due to some of the comments more so than the article itself. The article is simply reporting an event that took place in Lincoln. The individual comments are made by people who are given the right to speak by the Constitution. They are entitled to their opinion the same as you are entitled to yours and I am to mine. Abortion is not a form of birth control, it is not facing the result of an action that you chose to take. Yes, I am aware that some abortions are after acts that the woman did not chose and it is these actions that make me pro-choice. I do still believe abortion is murder, but it is justified or necessary in the case of rape or incest....the same as the electric chair can be justified when rehabilitation does not work. "

Become a Foster parent wrote on October 7, 2008 10:38 am:
" Wouldn't it be great if these people would put in this much time and effort into raising an already born unwanted child? "

American you say wrote on October 7, 2008 10:40 am:
" Last time I checked, we too live in America. Point one you are probably right on knowing where you live, but it ends there! You do not have the right to choose what you do with your own body. You have the right within the law, suicide is illegal, drug abuse is illegal etc.. etc. check the law books before you go off judging those that choose to practice their "American given right of free speech" As for the ludicrious comment as for miscarriage being suicide..is a car accident, or cancer suicide too? No! If you don't want a baby don't have unprotected sex, if you choose to yes there are people who would take care of it, and YES I am one of them. No, I don't think you are considerate enough to stop using drugs or drinking after all it would seem that you are the only one that counts. And lastly as for a man protesting abortion the last time I checked there was only one time in all of history a man was not involved in a preganancy, the BIBLE if this has stumped you. "

J wrote on October 7, 2008 11:19 am:
" There are only 2 places in Nebraska to get an abortion, Planned Parenthood in Lincoln and Omaha. There were probably more protestors out than babies aborted in the last year.

These people should really be out volunteering or spending their time doing something that actually makes a difference. "

pro-SAFE- CHOICE wrote on October 7, 2008 11:36 am:
" Thank-you ignignokt..you are correct. They have been around for years, unlicensed doctors in hotels, back alleys, beating of the belly, and coat hangers. I am not "pro abortion", and I chose to have both my children. But to think that outlawing abortion will stop them from happening is inane.

ANd to all the people that wrote saying with the what if it were YOUR DAUGHTER theories....

What if it were your daughter,niece,daughters best friend, female best friend...and they were scared to tell someone they had gotten pregnant by accident(for fear of their family or church telling them what a bad human being they are to have had sex before marriage- or worse yet, kick them out of the house), or by rape...and they CHOSE to get an abortion.
Tell me...would you rather have them doing it in a LEGAL, sterile, SAFE environment with a licensed doctor(with a trained staff and hospital rights), or in the back of some alley, car, or hotel room with someone "claiming" that he has "done this thousands of times"??
And when that girl/woman has that ILLEGAL abortion and ends up bleeding to death somewhere because of the "doctor" who has "done this thousands of times", leaves her in that hotel room so as not to be caught...are you pro-NO SAFE CHOICE lifers going to be screaming about how HER LIFE was not as valuable as that "tadpole" she was carrying? And will you be telling everyone how she deserved to die because she was sinning by having sex before marriage and then having an abortion??

And if you answered yes to that last question...YOU shouldn't be allowed to have children. Whether one wants to believe it or not, there is still many "god-fearing" families out there that will put there daughter out on the street or some far away town to have the baby(and force them to give it up) to save the "family name" from being tarnished.

Making abortions illegal will not stop them from being performed. It will just be the nasty, make a quick buck, black market "doctors" who will be giving them. Is that REALLY what you would want for your daughter, niece, best friend, or your daughters best friend?? REALLY?

I am not pro abortion. I am pro LEGAL AND SAFE CHOICE. "

give me a break wrote on October 7, 2008 11:55 am:
" peb stated " I resent the anti-abortion crowd taking over the term, "pro-life." There are many definitions of the word "life." "

Hmm, I resent the pro-abortion crowd taking over the term, "pro-choice" when they don't consider adoption, abstenance, or birth control ahead of time choices, or allowing citizens to make school choice. Lets face it, a vast number of abortions are on children, children who are not emotionally ready to engage in sexual behavior. The proper "choice" is to allow them to develop properly and then when they are adults they can engage in this behavior when they are emotionally ready for the consequences.

A lot of you constantly bash on Christians or other religious people on this issue. Just look at the philosophy rather than the spiritiaul aspects, abstaining from sex until married solves a vast number of social ills. A lot the ills that you are all complaining about that you say abortion fixes. There is a much better choice to make that causes far less emotional, economic, or other damage. "

funny again wrote on October 7, 2008 12:05 pm:
" It is funny how the pro-abortion crowd is always against the death penalty for people who CHOOSE to kill others. Oh we cannot sentence them to death, that would be wrong. A war killing people? Last time I checked every single member of the armed forces is there by CHOICE. Yea war sucks but that has been around since the beginning of time, and will always be there. Protesting equal rights? We already have that, a lot of these groups want extra or special rights. If you leave your private lives to yourselves, most people dont give a crap what you do. Those that do are ignorant and can be ignored.

While I dont agree with the tactics of this protest group, they have a right to do it just like the "dont kill the mass murder in the gas chamber" crowd has a right to protest. "

use your head wrote on October 7, 2008 12:49 pm:
" "jab" - How do you know that people are having abortions because of sex outside of marriage? Married women, rape victims, and incest survivors would point out that your assumption is illogical. Stop worrying about when and why people are having sex. No one is pro-abortion, but many do believe that a woman should have a right to choose when and if she is a parent. There is also the mother's health to consider, and forcing a woman to carry a child to term against medical advice is barbaric and unjust, so stop suggesting that as an alternative. "

most are outside of marriage wrote on October 7, 2008 2:01 pm:
" To state that the vast number of abortions come from rapes or incest us crazy. Also an abortion to protect the health of the mother is not what is going on here. Nobody states that you should save the baby if the mother would die. The vast number of abortions do come from unwed women. This was their choice, a very bad one. To punish an innocent is not the answer. Please use protection. I have heard from many young women that "my boyfriend doesnt like to use protection." Well guess what, then your boyfriend is scum. Make a better choice, dont start harming innocent people because you are weak. Don't make a bad choice an even worse one. "

no one is pro abortion wrote on October 7, 2008 2:20 pm:
" What a crazy statement. Planned Parenthood makes the vast majority of their money off abortions. They set up shop in inner cities and poor neighborhoods and sell their biggest money maker to people who see no alternative, mostly because one is not shown to them. PP is clearly pro-abortion. If a religous institution did something even close to this, it would be called racist and some veiled attempt to commit genocide on minority popluations. Funny how the founder of PP is a big proponet of Eugenics... "

Jen C wrote on October 7, 2008 2:38 pm:
" Can the pro-life folk please stop accusing we pro-choice supporters of being "pro-abortion"? Yes, I AM pro-choice, but that does not mean I believe in abortion. I would never have an abortion myself, unless my life or the life of my baby was in danger. But I don't feel it's my place at all to tell another woman what to do with her own body. The empahasis needs to be placed on the word CHOICE. "

re Planned Parenthood wrote on October 7, 2008 4:02 pm:
" Yes Planned Parenthood sets up shop in poor neighborhoods to give them a place to go for pap smears, birth control, bad cramps, ovarian cysts etc. and yes they also provide abortions. But please tell me from your South Lincoln McMansion--would you be willing to take care of a poor inner city mother's child? The answer is NO. Planned Parenthood doesn't get off by doing abortions. They are helping lower income women have access to quality healthcare. Planned parenthood is actually trying to lower the number of abortions through education and affordable birth control. Tell me please, what have you done to help women not get pregnant or if they are to cope with the pregnancy and make a solid decision? "

Wow Give Me a Break wrote on October 7, 2008 4:48 pm:
" You obviously haven't spoken to anyone who is pro-choice. The definition of choice is: the opportunity to choose.

Since Planned Parenthood is the "evil abortionist" in this area, I pulled this from their website: "Whether you choose adoption or to become a parent, if you plan to continue your pregnancy, you should begin prenatal care as soon as possible." "

Ridiculous wrote on October 7, 2008 4:53 pm:
" Please back up your statement that PP makes the "vast majority" of its money off of abortions. I find this impossible to believe. First, abortions represent approximately 3% of the services PP provides. Second, they are a non-profit organization that is supported by donations which surely out number the amount they can extract from poor women seeking abortions. I would sooner guess that any amount of remuneration they receive for abortions doesn't even begin to cover the cost of the actual procedure itself. Third, as you state, most of PP's clients are inner city, low income women. I simply don't believe that these extremely poor women consuming 3% of PP's services generate a vast majority of PP's income when compared to the fees collected from the other 97% of the services offered by the organization. Consider the source of your "facts."

Funny, the first leader of this country owned lots of slaves. Completely irrelevant to today. "

Nina wrote on October 7, 2008 5:13 pm:
" Pro-choice people do not all have hard hearts. I'm pro-choice but not pro-abortion. The law should not have to dictate proper action by most women who have unwanted pregnancies. We as a nation need to act to change the morals, not by law, but through the churches and by through each individual following the golden rule to let these people know they have support and caring. So many would-be adoptive couples are waiting for those babies, and will give them wonderful lives. Give the mother reason to understand and believe this, and help support her financially through the church and charities, if the father will not help. Now HERE is where the law should step in - fathers aren't criticized by pro-life groups at all for being pro-choice in the worst way - abandoning both the woman and his child in a brash, irresponsible move. Lend a helping hand instead of shouting at pregnant women and carrying signs - ever hear that you can catch more flies with honey? Go after the fathers to take responsibility. Become a nation where cheating, lying, and greed are NOT the norm from the top on down. Then abortions will drop drastically, because women will make the RIGHT choice. "

In Lincoln wrote on October 7, 2008 5:25 pm:
" only 3.3 percent of all services provided by Planned Parenthood are abortions. "