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Monday, Sep 08, 2008 - 12:33:40 am CDT

I could not go another minute without responding to Anita Crouse’s assertion (letter, Sept. 3) that if John McCain is elected we will be at war “for years and years,” and just because John McCain comes from a military family “he basically sees the military side of this world.” I can’t make up my mind whether I’m more enraged as a John McCain supporter or as a 20-year veteran of the U.S. Army with three combat tours.

Let me make something perfectly clear: No one despises war more than the veterans who have fought in one. No one. If you think there are soldiers running around with joy upon receiving orders to deploy, I’d say you’ve been watching too many movies. A soldier who hasn’t deployed yet might do that, but once he’s in the back of that C-130 transport winging his way into the combat zone for the first time with his stomach knotted up and beads of sweat running down his forehead, all that machismo nonsense disappears. Indeed, he’s a changed man when he gets back in that C-130 a year later, his tour complete.

A veteran knows what it’s like to lose friends in combat; the guy you had lunch with an hour ago perhaps. A veteran knows what it’s like to stand over the body of an enemy who only seconds ago was alive and well, and doing his best to kill you. Barack Obama doesn’t know what that’s like, does he?

Whoever gets elected in November is going to have to spend billions of dollars rebuilding our military. Or perhaps you pine for the good ol’ days of the ’90s, with the “great” economy and “balanced” budget. Those of us in the military watched as our shrinking paychecks bought less and less, and there was no money for fuel, ammunition and parts for my tanks. Body bags were filled in 2003 because the leaders in the Army were not trained properly during your glory days of the ’90s.

In closing, the brutality of war is best pondered by those who have never experienced it, because they can do it safely, from a distance, and don’t have to worry about the demons who come in the darkness of their dreams.

Kevin Gleason, Lincoln

Cast vote for third-party

On Tuesday, Nov. 4, we as American citizens will go to the polls and cast our votes for who we believe will best represent us in Washington.

Everybody is seeking change.

And yet, for all this talk of change, most of you reading this letter are going to do the exact same thing you have done in every other election you have voted in — vote for a Republican or a Democrat.

Isn’t it strange, though, that when you look at all the incompetence, wasteful spending and lack of real leadership that continues to ooze out of Washington, there is a common thread that is woven in all these problems we face today: Democrats and Republicans.

You want real change this November? Don’t waste your vote on a Republican or a Democrat. Get behind a third-party candidate and really make your voice heard. Let these blowhards know that we are through wasting our votes on their tired, pathetic games and we are not going to take it anymore.

There are those who say such a vote would be a wasted vote.

Based on the historical track records of the vast majority of Democrats and Republicans we have to choose from, I would argue that continuing to vote for either party is the real waste.

Michael J. Carnes, Omaha

Check Hickman case facts

The Journal Star has not printed all the facts about the Peter Rabbit case, has decided to poke fun at a governmental entity, and chose to quote an online story comment referring to a community that does 80 percent of its business and work in your city as hicks. The issues that confront this community are important, and we as council members have taken an oath to uphold the laws that are passed by this city.

The last editorial (Aug. 28) did not get all the facts correct. We have had to remove several animals from the city since 1988 when ordinance 602-2 was approved. Ninety percent of the e-mails received by the city of Hickman were unsigned because people were too cowardly to put their name on an issue that did not affect them. If you are truly interested in fair play, then do your research and show your respect to communities that support your city.

There are two sides to every issue. We as a council have worked on this issue for 18 months and tried to come up with a solution that would be fair for all residents of this city. A compromise could not be reached by the Scotts and the city. Therefore the 1988 ordinance stands as passed … again.

Webster states that livestock are animals kept or raised for use or pleasure; farm animals kept for use and profit. Our ordinance reads that no livestock shall be kept in the city limits.

Richard Harms,

Hickman City Council member

Enhancement needed

Historical and practically speaking, should we enhance Pershing Auditorium to help halt deterioration of the near-downtown neighborhood? If the Governor’s Mansion has been restored (nearly the same age), Pershing might also be, with parking expanded to the east. Homes in the area of historic interest need neighborhood enhancement to survive.

Nancy Russell, Lincoln

Age won’t help drunk driving

In regard to those wanting a lower drinking age (LJS, Aug. 20): “I’m old enough to die for my country but not old enough to drink a beer” seems to be the most common reason given for wanting to lower the drinking age to 18 years old.

I have a few problems with 18 being the desired new drinking age. I’m a 23-year-old college student, and up until this past year I was never affected personally with the negatives of drinking. One of my close friends died in a drunken driving accident. He was the driver; he died at the age of 24.

Personally, I have never driven under the influence of alcohol, but the loss of my friend has caused me to re-evaluate whether other “adults” do or not. If adults are having issues controlling their consumption, what makes our government think that 18-year-olds will be responsible enough to control their consumption? If the drinking age is going to be lowered, why not change it to 19? Almost all 19-year-olds are out of high school, which will minimize the access to underage consumers, and it offers a slight compromise to those who serve in the military. Of course, it won’t help the problem of driving under the influence, but hopefully by the time this law would pass, the youth would have the responsibility to make better choices than those before them.

Snera Riley, Lincoln

Who is the real hypocrite?

I have two questions for Bert Hrnicek (“Worst of Hypocrites,” letter, Sept. 2). First, do you use John McCain’s middle name when you refer to him? If not, then what, exactly, is your purpose in including Barack Obama’s middle name in your reference to him? Surely you are above the scare-mongering that highlighting Obama’s Muslim middle name would imply.

Secondly, and I ask this also of others seeking to end legal abortion, how many adopted children do you have? (Remember adoption? It was once touted as the alternative to abortion.) If your answer is “None,” then who is the real hypocrite here?

Doug Dexter, Davey

Gays can raise kids, too

In regard to the recent article “Kids more an option for more gay couples,” (LJS, Aug. 18): Morally, scientifically and socially, there are no logical reasons for gay couples to not raise children if they’re able to satisfy those children’s needs.

According to the American Psychology Association, a homosexual couple can raise a kid as well as a heterosexual one. A gay couple may affect a boy’s sexual orientation as much as a straight couple. Self-reasoning will let the boy/girl see that there are heterosexual parents that succeed or fail while raising kids, and homosexual parents may succeed or fail, too. Children at state centers or orphanages are sometimes abused mentally, physically and even sexually. I’m not saying that these children must be given to gay couples, but it should be a possibility for a nicer environment and a loving family.

Most people believe that children of gay parents might become gay as well; this isn’t true at all and doesn’t make sense. It’s like saying that if a kid has a nerdy parent, the kid is going to be nerdy as well. Having gay parents doesn’t make any child gay. Sexual orientation is “wired” into our system. A kid does not become gay by watching other people be gay.

Overall, there’s no reason to say no and deny a gay couple a chance to satisfy a kid’s needs and let him or her enjoy a meaningful life.

Karen Azparrent, Lincoln


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Oh Kevin wrote on September 8, 2008 4:50 am:
" When I think of John McCain and war, I think of his comments to the effect the he is willing to let the Iraq war continue for 100 years if needed. Of course our country would likely be broke by then but that is the cause of my own beliefs that we will be in Iraq for a while is McCain is elected, not simply because he is a military man. "

the logic wrote on September 8, 2008 5:59 am:
" of lowering the drinking age just because someone is old enough to "die for their country" is not a very good one. I recall not too many years ago in our own fair city a young woman returned from service in Iraq got drunk, rear-ended a car and killed another (pregnant) woman who was out delivering newspapers. I also recall said drunk woman was underage. Just because you are "old enough to die for your country" does not mean you are mature. It means that your country has made a (successful) business of taking advantage of youth, immaturity and inexperience. You are fighting the wrong battle here. "

lower drinking age wrote on September 8, 2008 6:34 am:
" the real problem is that the punishment for dui and under age drinking is not a punishment at all. we need to increase the penalty for these. I have had a dui i know what a joke it was and i've seen how others looked at it. it was a complete joke. the only thing that stops me is that i know that it was the stupidest thing i've ever done and have never drank since. but i would say 95% of the people are right back at it. "

Pro Freedom wrote on September 8, 2008 6:36 am:
" "Maybe 100," McCain replied. "As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed, it's fine with me and I hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day."

He did not say he wanted the war to continue, just to maintain a presence as we do in Germany and other country's. Get your facts straight. "

Rob wrote on September 8, 2008 6:54 am:
" Whose John McCain? I thought MRS Palin is rnning for president. She is doing all the talking, back stabbing, critizing, besides hearing about
her family, special needs child, HOCKEY MOM, yet I haven't heard one
word about what she is going to do for the taxpayers in the country. Well,
guess they are going to do something about health care through the employer,then tax the employee for this benefit. Again the blue collar, hard working middle class will take the hit. So John is a war hero. That doesn't mean he knows how to run OUR country. If he knows anything about
foreign issues. So far he wants to play war president like the one we
have in there now, that didn't know a darn thing & look what he got us
into. "

Jan wrote on September 8, 2008 7:41 am:
" Richard, what harm is the horse doing by living where it is in town? Hasn't this just turned into a vendetta against the owner? Is Hickman rules so strict that you can't allow decency to guide your judgement? Why aren't you enforcing other rules ie junk ordinance, crime (drug problems)? Lastly, if Peter Rabbit dies because he is moved, will you feel bad? "

Oh Rob wrote on September 8, 2008 7:46 am:
" Sarah's going to ban all of our literature with naughty words. You know like My Friend, Flicka and Huckleberry Finn. "

Darwin wrote on September 8, 2008 8:05 am:
" I doubt there is much to respect about a community that would force a family to move an amimal knowing full well it will kill that animal. Regardless of the law, or the actions on the part of the village of Hickman, it is still a cruel and unnessisary action.

It smacks of the same blanket arrogance that some community leaders take to ban so called "vicious" breeds of dogs. A dog's breed has no say in it's viciousness, and all research and evidence bears this out. However, some towns still rip apart established families by forcing them to get rid of (I.E. kill) their well trained and well behaved dog. You can not make on simple blanket rule to cover all situations.

To make the absolute and blanket ruling that no farm animals are to live within the village boarders would be just as absurd as making the blanket judgement that the entire village of Hickman is populated by ignorant hicks.

However, since my personal opinion is not law, I am free to hold it. I am also free to share it with anyone, and everyone, I meet. Just as you are free to enforce your cruel and absurd law. "

Hickman Resident wrote on September 8, 2008 8:28 am:
" Go Rich! It's about time someone with the facts said something that was on one side. Now all we need is Scott to say his side, but he won't cause he knows this whole ordeal is just his vendetta against the Hickman council. "

JT wrote on September 8, 2008 8:39 am:
" John Sidney McCain joked about bombing Iran, he overreacted to the Georgia/Russia conflict, and he's ready to stay in Iraq even though everyone else is ready for us to leave. McCain is a hothead who acts on impulse, he admitted as much in his 2002 biography and showed us as much in his VP selection. "

Zoomie wrote on September 8, 2008 8:43 am:
" Kevin, its a lovely myth that no one hates war more than a military man, but its exactly that: a myth!

One day after 9/11, McCain was calling for a war against Saddam Hussein (even as the evidence unfolded that Iraq had nothing to do with it). And the actual fact of McCain's "100 years" in Iraq was that he was laying out a scenario for himself that promised we would NEVER, under ANY circumstance he could envision, EVER leave Iraq!! What he actually said was if our soldiers were under attack, we had to stay until the "enemey" was defeated (even though the Iraqi's themselves were the enemey), and once there was no attack or threat, there would no longer be a reason to leave and we could stay forever, just like in Germany or Japan! So, under his scheme, we will never leave Iraq! Except, of course, the Iraqis want us to go!

I also remember the John McCain who called for US soldiers (even as we're stretched thin in Iraq and too thin in Afghanistan) to be deployed to Georgia, to get sucked into a regional conflict of no concern to the U.S.! And that he has repeatedly called for military attacks on Iran, even though it would inflame the entire middle East and drive the cost of oil up sky high! So please, let's not pretend McCain is opposed to using our military as a first reaction! He would love nothing more than to attack several more nations, given the opportunity!

Oh, and you seem to have forgotten that the cuts in our military were implemented by President GHW Bush, under his Sec of Defense Cheney, who dramatically cut military spending and size (and bragged about it!). Clinton simply kept to the GOP schedule of military shrinkage (why not? in the '90s we weren't launching two foreign wars on a grand scale without bothering to pay for it, to reinstate the draft to provider the manpower -- as McCain said he'd do 2 weeks ago, FYI). It's ironic the GOP attacked Clinton in 1998 because two US Army combat divisions (of all Army divisions) were less than fully combat ready, citing this as evidence he was "destroying" our military. Last I checked, under Bush, we now have at least SIX unready combat divisions in the Army!!!
Finally - in the Clinton years, 29 million new jobs were created (vs less than six million under Bush); actual take home pay, inflation adjusted, rose for EVERY incrome group by 3-6% on average under Clinton (vs, under Bush, an inflation adjusted NEGATIVE loss of income for 80% of Americans); and in the '90s we achieved balanced budgets (and a surplus) for the first time in decades (vs $600-800 billion dollar per year deficits, and a doubling of the national debt in a mere 8 years, under Bush). Yep, I'll take the economics of the '90s any day over the declining indebted collapsing economy of the Bush years any day of the week! "

Hank wrote on September 8, 2008 8:48 am:
" Kevin,

Thank you for your service to our country! Young people like yourself give me hope that there is a future for our country.

My wife and I believe that EVERYONE under the age of 20 should be required to do some manditory service for our country. If you are against the war fine, serve at a V.A. hospital, helping our wounded and vets. Serve in the Red Cross, anything that helps our country. There so many out there that are just for themselves that they forget what it is like to serve others. "

Bubba wrote on September 8, 2008 8:57 am:
" I thought Huckleberry Finn was already banned. I would thus try to blame it on Bush along with everything else he gets blamed for, 9-11, making people take out loans for houses they couldn't afford, oil shortage, increased food prices, New Orleans, recent husker record. That's right somehow he must be responsible for that too. "

Greg wrote on September 8, 2008 9:10 am:
" Kevin Gleason speaks of "body bags ... filled in 2003" in the Iraq war " because the leaders in the Army were not trained properly..." The fact is that 139 American military personnel and approximately 7500 Iraqis were killed up to May 1, 2003 when President Bush declared the end of major combat operations. The "leaders" in the armed forces deployed in Iraq were approved (if not selected) by the Commander In Chief (President Bush) and were trained by their respective services. "Leaders" in the armed forces who cautioned that troop levels were too low to assure peaceful occupation of Iraq were ignored. If there was any lack of training, it was at the highest levels of Rumsfeld's Department of Defense and in the White House itself. High level Military officers invloved in the Iraq conflict who dared to suggest that the Administration's strategy was flawed were sacked or reassigned. As a result of that strategy, since the victory pronouncement of May, 2003 over 4000 American servicemen and over 1 million Iragis have lost their lives. To blame this tragedy on poor training in the military in the 90's is an assertion that is incredibly naive and wrongheaded. "

CS wrote on September 8, 2008 9:23 am:
" The list of books that, purportedly, Ms. Palin wanted banned, was the regurgitated list of the most commonly banned books in the US, published every year. Her questions about banning books seem to be more feeling the persons in her administration at the time she was mayor-finding out who was with her and who was not. That is every newly elected leaders prerogative, and always has been. That said, there are much worse things about Ms. Palin that I choose to be disturbed about-her lack of policy experience, foreign experience, her 'maverick' status which, to me, is a liability, her lousy financial policies, and her inability to make a decision on whether she will use her family politically or not depending on the day's polls. "

Late ODay wrote on September 8, 2008 9:41 am:
" Good Lord, McCain didn't know the difference between Sunni and Shiite -- not once, not twice, not thrice ... but on FIVE separate public occasions. Joe Lieberman had to pull him aside and whisper corrections in his ear. And this is the guy you claim has the foreign policy credentials to lead the country? "

reality check wrote on September 8, 2008 9:43 am:
" Kevin, reality check time. My paycheck is shrinking and buying less and less and i can't afford fuel for my car under the "glory days" of Bush. I know the real reason body bags were filled in 2003. Its not because of Clinton (Oh the terrible Clinton, the boogey man of the Right), its because Bush stuck us in a war we had no reason to fight. "

I agree wrote on September 8, 2008 9:59 am:
" Michael J. Carnes I agree with you 100%. It is quite pathetic we are forced to choose between both of these terrible canidates and it is even more pathetic how many people back both of them. "

Evey wrote on September 8, 2008 10:29 am:
" Richard Harms this issue is not about the horse anymore it has become a vendetta against the owner as Jan stated above. Hickman council could have declared Hickman a "one horse town" two years ago and this issue would have been a done deal at that time and everyone could have moved on. Putting "The Rest of the Story" on the web, handing out copies (made with taxpayer money) of a fabricated story,a vindictive Bear Watch article from the local newspaper that didn't have anything to do with the ordinance that was being discussed on August 26 and the "Rest of the Story" which has omitted information in the timeline are totally looked upon as vindictiveness to this family. You and your group must be clueless as to how this looks at running city government. Don't worry I've made a complaint about that also to channels higher up! I would also suggest that you need to pick your battles. Personally I sent a letter to council members, mayor, city administrator and attorney and feel the same way today--the horse needs to stay at the only home it has ever known. P.S. FYI Yes Peter Rabbit's name has been that for 32 years! "

Oliver wrote on September 8, 2008 10:32 am:
" Oh Michael, you people never cease to crack me up. As if voting for the 3rd party candidate does anything other than throw your vote away. Yes I wish it made more of a statement, but in the real world, it's not different then taking your ball and going home. "

No Kevin wrote on September 8, 2008 10:34 am:
" You of all people should be wanting a change of policy. Do you really think McCain saw people die from 30,000 ft. He don't have any more idea of what it looked like on the ground than Obama. I don't want anymore republican lies. Think about it. I remember getting 3-4% raises under the clinton years. I also get about 3% retirement raises from the bush years. Remember who fed the troops in iraq and swindled the government out of billions for mre's. It was the company who got a no bid contract. Complaining about equiptment that the clinton administration is responsible for is silly. Do you remember how disorganized most of the military supplies are. How about the armor plating that goes into the humvees? Was clinton responsible for that? Bush has been asleep on the job and giving contracts to friends who have swindled the government out of billions. Your first tour was vietnam? Mine was 1 year and home. We didn't have to worry about a second tour unless we ask for it. How about these 15 to 20 month tours and return tours within 6 months. No kevin I just don't get your thinking. I don't want another 1 week of war in iraq. Send the troops to afghanistan and get bin laden. Oh, yeah whatever happened to him? "

retiree wrote on September 8, 2008 10:49 am:
" I check mate to reality check. He says it right. We wouldn't have had body bags coming from Iraq if bush hadn't wanted to make a name for himself and help his friends to iraqi oil. signed a military retiree. I guess Kevin just assumed everyone agreed that iraq was a threat. "

Real Blame wrote on September 8, 2008 11:22 am:
" Kevin, thank you for serving in the 90s. I am handicapped and can not serve even though I wanted to enlist. Military is a family tradition with reletives in every conflict since WWII. I am sorry your paycheck decreased, but that was because all the money spent on military went to the fat cat corporations who got the military bids. Look at how much money they charge for simple supplies.

Secondly, after the bombing of the USS Cole, the terrorists knew they could not goad Clinton into a stupid war. However, as soon as a Bush got into office, they knew he was their man to get into a water contest with. To blame the Clintons for the Bush debacle is like blaming the trees for the wind. "

Edgar Pearlstein wrote on September 8, 2008 11:27 am:
" Mr. Gleason, McCain's war experience was not the same as the kind of experience you describe. His experience was in dropping bombs from an airplane, and in being a mistreated POW. "

Logic wrote on September 8, 2008 11:28 am:
" the logic is that if you are of an age where you are old enough to serve your country (and perhaps die in that service), you should be considered old enough to have a beer legally. You are either an adult or you are not. Now if you don't think 18 year old can be trusted to have a beer, how in the heck can they be old enough to serve and die for their country? I'm not sure how we can ethically have it both ways. Perhaps the answer is to raise the age at which someone can enlist to 21. "

beerorkid wrote on September 8, 2008 11:41 am:
" Thanks for the letter Karen. "

thanks wrote on September 8, 2008 11:47 am:
" Well said, Kevin. A million thanks for your service. "

Chris wrote on September 8, 2008 12:13 pm:
" Oliver don't be so quick to dismiss Michael Carnes' call to vote for the third party candidates. If a sizeable number of folks turn away from the two major parties voting for a third party can work. We just need to work harder at convincing those who buy into the partisan banter perpetuated by the media, that both parties are not only not serving this country, but are harming it for their own political advantage. Its galling how gullible and niave people are who believe the outlandish and really fantastical policy positions of Sen. Barack Obama. Obama and the Democrats may call themselves progressives, but if you really look at what they want to do this country, you will see it is far from progress. Sen. John McCain is also not incredibly convincing as an agent of change of who wants to hold Washington accountable. McCain has been in Washington too long to really have the right perspective. The answer is clear. Down with the Democratic and Republican parties! "

I Wonder wrote on September 8, 2008 12:29 pm:
" Did anyone else find it interesting that in McCain's speech at the RNC in one breath he mentioned no "legislating from the bench" (which is code for Roe v. Wade and his desire to overturn) and in the next spoke about less government control? "

Gay kid wrote on September 8, 2008 12:35 pm:
" I was raised by a homosexual father and I am a heterosexual. In fact, from what I have found, most children are not homosexual just because their parent's are. Check out www.colage.org "

To No Kevin wrote on September 8, 2008 12:46 pm:
" John McCain saw plenty people die in the years he was a POW. I don't want anymore Democratic, far left lies! "

Alan wrote on September 8, 2008 1:36 pm:
" Neither McCain nor Obama has earned or deserves my vote. I will join Mr. Carnes in casting my vote for a third party canididate as I have for the last 20 years. A vote for the lesser of two evils remains a vote for evil. "

Amy wrote on September 8, 2008 1:40 pm:
" Hank: Why must everyone be required to serve their country by having it involve war or veterans? There are plenty of other people in need around here. What about nurses? What about people who volunteer in homeless shelters? Mentors for children? Or even people who defend animals? They're all making a huge difference. It's not that people don't care about the war, it's that there are other things that are just as important that maybe hit closer to home than war victims. "

erhin wrote on September 8, 2008 1:46 pm:
" Even if McCain wasn't a collaborator during his time as a POW (so far, it's not clear that he wasn't), he has used and misused the "POW card" so much that it offends me as a relative of service members and simply as an American - for a number of reasons.

First, military service, as brave as it may be, is not the pinnacle of national achievement or patriotism. There are plenty of honorable (and non-violent) ways to serve and better one's country. Blind worship of the military is dangerous and disrespectful to those who do wonderful work every single day... but it serves the needs of the military-industrial complex quite nicely, that's true.

Second, simply being a POW does not qualify anyone for President, yet McCain and his supporters always trot out the same tired statements. It's his answer to everything, which should tell you that he has an answer to NOTHING. "

Ignignokt wrote on September 8, 2008 2:21 pm:
" ehrin...like it or not, "Change we can believe in" is one of those 'tired statements' you claim to dislike. "

truth wrote on September 8, 2008 2:22 pm:
" first of all, casting votes for a third party candidate kept bush in office for another 4 years! i appreciate what nader or some other independent candidate is trying to accomplish, but there is no chance of victory this time around.

the only clear choice for president of the united states is barack obama. he is nothing short of brilliant. harvard law graduate in the top of this class and president of the harvard law review (which, by the way, is a harder office to obtain than potus!). obama had the all the doors of wall street open to him but instead of wealth, he chose public service in chicago. unlike our current sad excuse for a president, obama is loved around the world, not only for his charisma, but for his international perspective and progressive ideas.

i can only assume that those middle class americans who believe mccain's tax cuts will benefit them have not read the fine print. 100 MILLION middle class americans will not receive a tax break, but 9 of the largest companies in the US will, one of which is none other than Exxon Mobile! welcome back to the republicans selling their souls to the oil and gas industry.

at the end of the day, the only people i can see voting for mccain are those who do no research and simply vote party lines or the ignorant. take the time to LISTEN to obama the next time he speaks. do not continue to sell our nation down the river. PLEASE!! "

Hey truth wrote on September 8, 2008 2:43 pm:
" It sounds like you're in panic mode since Obama is down in the polls. You try to insult the McCain voters as ignorant, but it seems McCain voters are the ones that are thinking logically and reading between the lines. Obama should be WAY ahead at this point. Quit voting on hope and emotion alone. Look into Obama's scripted words, and you may be enlightened. "

Just Thinking wrote on September 8, 2008 2:46 pm:
" Those who do not learn the lessons of history, are destined to repeat history. 1937 Japan bombs and sinks the USS Panay in China, we "negotiate" a solution to the issue. Japan sees this as "proof" American will not go to war during Japan's expansion. 1941 Japan unleashes an attack, again hoping based on thier perception that America will "negotiate" a peace. The Declaration of War was late, only reason we see Pearl Harbor as a "sneak attack" and we reacted contrary to the Japanese perception. USS Cole attacked in 2000 by radical Islamic "terrorists", we negotiate a solution to this issue with who we think is responsible. The terrorist organizations again fall into a perception we are "weak willed". 2001 terrorists attack the WTC and Pentagon, possibly other targets designed to take the command "head" off the US Military. The terrorists as the Japanese misread our willingness to negotiate as weakness, and America attacks Afghanistan. Those with intents against America, often test our resolve, and base thier "intelligence" on what our response is. Negotiations percieved as from weakness are destined to result in a larger problem for America. "

To To No Kevin wrote on September 8, 2008 2:47 pm:
" Where are your facts to support that McCain saw plenty of people die while he was a POW? If he was held in solitary as long as he says, there is no way he could have seen anyone die.

I have been involved with the POW issue for nigh onto 30 years and all government information says very few actually died in captivity. Most died while being shot down and not after being captured. "

Something interesting wrote on September 8, 2008 3:09 pm:
" Check this link out-if you were curious about Palin's stance on the war, here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs "

Perception wrote on September 8, 2008 3:16 pm:
" The only way to find the "truth" is an Obama vote. Please, truth is where you look for and then find it. Obama is telling many the truth, they want to hear, McCain is telling the truth many others wish to hear. There is no clear choice in this fiasco, Obama is as murky a future as McCain. No one here is clearvoiant. Many have made thier decesion already, too late for any real sway of the "truth" and which "truth" we care to believe at this moment. And I do believe that the standards at the USNA are as difficult as Harvard, with a USNA Honor Code thrown in for an added difficulty level. "

Thanks Kevin wrote on September 8, 2008 3:30 pm:
" Well done! "

MarkyMark wrote on September 8, 2008 3:33 pm:
" If standing over a dead comrade, on the battlefield, is a requirement to be president of the United States, George Bush wouldn't have been elected, and we wouldn't be in this messy war. "

bloozman wrote on September 8, 2008 3:39 pm:
" "In closing, the brutality of war is best pondered by those who have never experienced it, because they can do it safely, from a distance, and don’t have to worry about the demons who come in the darkness of their dreams."
That sounds a helluva lot like George W!!!!!! "

P. Robert wrote on September 8, 2008 3:41 pm:
" Karen....how in the world is it natural for two male or two female of any species to raise its children? It's not nature's way and it would never happen on it's own accord. Face the truth....homosexuality is not a behavior that has a positive effect on our species. Sexual activity between same sex partners does not result in anything that will propogate the species. That is what sex is for..........now I will grant you that as bad as some hetero parents are, I am sure there are situations where children would be better off in some gay house holds. But this in no way validates homosexuality as a normal behavior for any species. Look at the human body....it's pretty obvious what all the equipment is for and where it should go. Biologically, the human body is not built for the sexual activities that are practiced in same sex relationships. Understand that I am not against what 2 consenting adults want to do to each other in the privacy of their own home but stop trying to normalize this behavior.....no matter how you frame it, a square peg does not go into a round hole. "

Dude wrote on September 8, 2008 3:48 pm:
" One thing I can say for Sarah Palin is she looks much better in an American Flag bikini than Barack Obama "

Yes wrote on September 8, 2008 4:20 pm:
" Amy, well said! Why is patriotism associated with wars??
AND: I'm so tired of the little analogy about 'if you're old enough to serve your country'.....people in this country are slobs, and they don't know how to do anything responsibly--especially drink. Oh yeah--I thought I was mature at 18, and then I realized about five years later that I was an idiot. Everybody thinks they're mature. 18 year olds are KIDS. Period. "

SB wrote on September 8, 2008 4:36 pm:
" I’ve been thinking also…besides some not knowing the difference between ‘diplomacy’ and ‘negotiation’ please explain to me how a 1940s Japan or Germany (their nations, leaders, military, intent) are even remotely comparable to the religious terrorism network of Al Qaeda? Germany invaded Poland to expand an empire after social and economical unrest following WWI. Japan bombed Pearl Harbor for strategic military defense positioning. Al Qaeda bombed the US to entice us into severe military action in the deserts of sovereign nations where they knew they could stretch our military thin by playing guerrilla warfare, economically cripple a booming economy, and declare a religious war (President Bush’s ‘crusade’) and recruit members into the hundreds of thousands. It is very important to remember the past, however you can’t look at past and present situations as apples to apples in today’s globalized world. Do you really think you are safer now than immediately following 9/11 and before we invaded Iraq (remember you now have the world’s largest religion against one nation with teenage boys who have known nothing but an occupation of their home country)? How do you win a war against idealism (invade it’s capitol? Destroy the thought/ideal?)? Do you really think we will be safer after playing political games with Iran, N Korea, or Russia (who all have called our military bluff) instead of focusing on the true ‘bad guys’ and true and intelligent homeland security with global diplomatic resolutions? "

Military Party Affiliation wrote on September 8, 2008 5:09 pm:
" As a veteran with almost 30 years of experince I can honestly say I was ALWAYS in the minority when it came to party affiliation. Once, in a room of a hundred people, I and one other person raised their hand as Democrats. The rest considered themselves Republicans. It's no wonder that when complaints arise, Clinton is to blame and Bush had it right. Now count those body bags again and repeat after me, "Thank your Mr. Bush." "

Nina wrote on September 8, 2008 5:17 pm:
" I plan to vote for Obama in hopes of preventing more of the current generation, as well as future ones, from having war demons in their dreams (I've not had the experience, but generations of our family's veterans has). History has shown some wars involving the US have been wise, and others, folly. And I echo the letter saying gay people can be good parents - I only know two gay couples who have kids (one by artificial insemination and another with a little girl saved from China) but in both cases, the parents are devoted to their child and their kids are turning out wonderfully - smart, secure, considerate and mannerly kids who go to Sunday School and church every week. "

Gay Nebraskan wrote on September 8, 2008 5:32 pm:
" Where's the homophobes who always say such nasty bile almost on a daily basis here on the LJS? I read Karen's letter earlier this morning and thought that took a lot of courage for her to write about it. Now here I am sitting in front of the computer at dinner time and not one commentor said anything negative about it. OR I could have glimpsed too fast?

I'm kind of disappointed that I even logged on because I was expecting to educate some ignorance out of people. "

SB wrote on September 8, 2008 5:38 pm:
" Pat, I don’t think the issue is about square pegs in round holes. The majority of sex (hetero or homo) practiced in today’s bedrooms isn’t for reproduction, but rather about love and carnal acts. The issue written about is about a homophobic society who believes a child would have a better life in an abusive household or orphanage then to be exposed to the realisms of the world. If you think human homosexuality is a ‘new behavior that people want normalized’ you are sorely mistaken. "

Mike the Realist wrote on September 8, 2008 6:35 pm:
" Truth -- Did you just cut and paste that from a Keith Olbermann rant, or did you plagarize that off some Obama campaign flyer??? "The only clear choice...is Barack Obama"??? It's ignorant statements like that which prove Michael J. Carnes' point to be dead on. The bad thing about it is that there are enough unenlightened individuals such as you who are going to be in the polling booth this November voting your ignorance. If there were enough people thinking for themselves going to the polls, neither Obama OR McCain would get elected. It's a shame that's not going to happen, but Michael is spot on with his comments and I'll be intelligent enough to follow his lead. "

Mike the Idealist wrote on September 8, 2008 8:40 pm:
" Stop it Mike, you're cracking me up.

You're going to be intelligent enough to follow a letter writers lead?

This totally illustrates what's wrong with America. "

truth wrote on September 8, 2008 9:11 pm:
" i've noticed that all of the responses to my post have no real substance. i mentioned a great deal of information about the supposed "tax cuts" that maccain is talking about and the only the only response i get is that obama should be waaay ahead in the polls?! if your going to attempt an argument, find some relevent information! "

Rxwoman wrote on September 8, 2008 9:45 pm:
" P. Robert, you are oh so wrong when you say that two males, or two females raising young is not nature's way. As a matter of fact it does happen on it's own accord in the natural world. Look it up if you do not believe me, google animals and gay sex, and read the article at the National Geographic site. Homosexual activity doesn't propagate the species...and heterosexual activity doesn't always either. So what?
As far as having a positive effect on our species, if a gay couple lovingly raise their children to be honest , caring, adults, doesnt' that have a positive effect on our species?
Face facts, sex isn't only for reproduction, and same sex behavior, sexual activity, same sex pairing bonding, and raising of young, HAS been observed in many, MANY, other animal species, including primates ( which by the way, humans are one of).
You're statements are not objective, or fair. "

four years in the future wrote on September 8, 2008 9:54 pm:
" Four years into the future with the President McSame agenda that is currently occurring in Washington, I foresee

In four years, we would undoubtedly still be in Iraq, he has no intention of bringing troops home from a fiasco.

In four years our economy will be in worse shape than it is now because the republican party does not want to focus on America, instead they prefer to focus on policing the world.

In four years we won't have jobs because the republican party does not understand that without universal health care,companies will continue to leave and find cheaper labor,and they don't have to pay health care in China, or India.

In four years our national debt will be in the Trillions because the republican party can't understand you can't borrow borrow borrow and not pay anything as you go.

In four years America won't be America. We can change this dismal outlook by not voting for the same old tired, and disastrous policies. "

Say Dude wrote on September 8, 2008 9:55 pm:
" You do know that pic of Sara in the flag bikini was photoshopped? It's amazing what lies people and the media have tried to pin on Gov Palin. I'm not saying all the news about her is lies, but come on, superimposing her face on a photo is pretty low. "

Clone wrote on September 8, 2008 10:03 pm:
" Some folks think that McCain has become a George W Bush clone since he started running for President and went from Maverick to Replicant. True enough, but what is really scary is a Palin / Bush comparison:

Palin:
1. Two year Governor of the largest state.
2. No International experience.
3. Way right "family values".
4. Likes the second amendment. The first one, not so much.
5. Is adamant about what she feels is right. Dissention is not permitted. She shuns and/or punishes those who get in the way.

Bush:
1. Was a two term Governor of the second largest state. Didn’t seem to help him much as he has been the most inept president in history.
2.Texas borders Mexico just as Alaska borders Russia. This didn't imbue Bush with any insight into foreign policy.
3. Way right family values. Not so much doing God’s work, but expecting God to credit his decisions.
4. Bush has spent his administration subverting the parts of the Constitution that are inconvenient to him.
5. Standing up for what one believes in is admirable, but not if it excludes listening to the opinions of others. We have had MORE than enough of the "my way or the highway" policies. "

to truth wrote on September 9, 2008 5:54 am:
" i too noticed there are no good responses to your fact about mcane's tax policy. you have to remember you're talking to republican's. folk singer utah phillips had a great line in one of his songs goes something like, 'i won't talk to a republican their like refrigerators, open the door the light goes on, close it the light goes off, nothing new's gonna happen.' republicans bash democrats for their admiration for obama and then get all glassy eyed and resolute whenever mccane takes the stage and starts talking about his pow experience. methinks its one of those, 'project onto the other the quality you don't like in yourself' kind of phenomena.

back to phillips: the next lines have to do with democrats, 'talking to democrats is like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic,' maybe michael carnes has a point? "

Josh wrote on September 9, 2008 9:29 am:
" I don't think most believe John McCain "likes" war, he does understand that war is hell- but being a military man he DOES see only the military side of things in foreign policy, just listen to how he talks- so quick to talk tough, as if military force is an option in all situations. We need someone who sees that as only an option to be used in DEFENSE, someone who will otherwise get to work rebuilding all the friendships, partnerships, and alliances that have been completely destroyed over these past 7 or 8 years. "

Tke wrote on September 9, 2008 10:22 am:
" Someone may want to tell Kevin Gleason that it was Bush I that cut military spending - not Clinton, but Bush and his Secretary of Defense (a guy named "Richard Cheney"). It's false to think McCain's service automatically makes him better for vets such as Mr. Gleason. In fact, every major veteran's organization gives McCain barely passing grades for his voting record on vet issues.

Oh, and while you may have experienced a 'shrinking paycheck' thanks to Bush I's cuts, at least you weren't deployed to a country that wasn't a threat over and over and over again, with no plan for how to get out.

So you go with the guy who talks a good game. I'll go with the people whose actions have proven their support of military families. "

Beaker wrote on September 9, 2008 10:48 am:
" thank you Zoomie. Very well said. And I couldn't agree or add more.

Your comments are spot on. "