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Survey finds Nebraska women face discrimination

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By JoANNE YOUNG / Lincoln Journal Star

Tuesday, Aug 26, 2008 - 05:47:45 pm CDT

Working women in Nebraska have talked about the same issues for at least four decades.

Equal pay.

Child care costs and family friendly work environments.

Sex discrimination and harassment.

“Discrimination is alive and well in Nebraska,” said Kathleen Neary, attorney with Vince Powers and Associates.

“I’m so busy. I can’t tell you the number of cases I turn down every day.”

And the cost of child care is still making women think twice about whether work is worth the effort,  especially when a large chunk of their salary goes to the people watching their kids.

Child care costs can run as high as $200 for babies, $175 for toddlers and $120 for school-age children. If you have more than one child — and especially if you’re single — it just doesn’t pay to work, said Christy Arfman, formerly with the Working Mom Safe Kids coalition.

Nebraska Women Work! unveiled an informal survey Tuesday of more than 1,000 women in 73 counties that showed much still needs to be done to satisfy working women in the state.

The volunteer respondents give insight into the issues women are facing.  

The group, an affiliate with the Women Work! national network for women’s employment, began collecting comments for the anonymous survey nearly two years ago, said Pat Funk, research consultant and volunteer project manager for survey.

The Nebraska organization has a small budget, Funk said, and could not afford to do a scientific, random survey. But the informal survey is still useful, she said.

The women who answered the survey on paper and on the Internet were more likely to have a college degree and higher incomes, she said. Only 7 percent were women of color.

Funk said the survey showed that many of those who answered believed they had experienced sex discrimination at work. But when that happened, many did not raise objections, saying it would not do any good or they were afraid of the consequences.

Those who did complain said either their complaints were ignored or negative consequences ensued.

Neary said women aren’t raising the issue because they need to pay their bills and their mortgages and take care of their families. They need the job, even if they are experiencing discrimination or harassment, and don’t want to be labeled boat rockers or be targeted for dismissal.

Many companies have anti-discrimination policies, she said. “But a lot of times they’re not worth the paper they are printed on.”

Employers rarely do a good job of investigating a discrimination complaint, she said. They would rather ignore the problem, unless it is costing them money.

The survey also indicated many respondents felt advancement was limited. More training or education was needed, which takes time and money, Funk said.

Erin Ching, an attorney with Nebraska Appleseed, said many working women face challenges in getting child care. Policymakers should continually be called upon to support high quality, affordable child care.

In past years, Nebraska lawmakers reduced the number of families qualifying for child care subsidies by reducing  the income to qualify from 185 percent of  poverty level to 120 percent. People who live at 185 percent of the poverty level are generally not on other types of assistance, but could still use help with child care, advocates say.

Arfman said some women who can’t afford day care leave kids as young as 9 home alone after school, reasoning that it’s only for an hour or two. Or they put kids in less expensive, unlicensed child care, which may be lower quality.

Catrice Jackson, president of Nebraska Women Work!, said the  organization will serve as a gateway for information, resources and opportunities for women.

Members will work with other agencies to prepare girls at an early age for satisfying professional careers and to be supportive future policy makers, she said. It may take a generation or two for these changes to occur.

“We need to wake up Nebraska, to kind of shake things up a bit,” Jackson said.   

 Reach JoAnne Young at 473-7228 or jyoung@journalstar.com.


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Darwin wrote on August 26, 2008 8:25 am:
" Another study that proves nothing. You cant just ask someone if they have been discriminated against, or if they are unsatisfied with their pay, and come up with a valid conclusion! EVERYONE (just about) is unsatisfied with their pay! EVERYONE percieves that they get the short end of the stick. It is human nature.

Psychological studies have shown time and time again that when two people are given the exact same quantity of something, they each think the other got more. And this is especially true in the work place where you never really know how much your coworkers earn. Everyone figures they are getting cheated.

This is the third time in a month that I have read an article that reports on a poorly designed study which produces completely meaningless results. Real socialogical and psychological studies have to be very carefully designed to eliminate bias on the part of the participants and those conducting the study. Asking someone if they get paid enough doesnt work.

Although I do believe women get biased treatment when applying for traditionally male jobs. But, men are also descriminated against when applying for traditionally female jobs. Just try to get a job as a secretary or receptionist when you are a guy. You wont even get an interview! "

R. SCOTT wrote on August 26, 2008 8:34 am:
" To the women who are dissatisfied with their pay; get a job that pays better! Quit choosing from the fields associated with lower earnings, such as education and health professions. "

Nebraska Woman wrote on August 26, 2008 8:41 am:
" How is this survey statistically valid? "

Smile wrote on August 26, 2008 8:50 am:
" The results of this survey are an example of why the so-called civil rights initiative (affirmative action ban) is so wrong and why we shouldn't let it pass here in Nebraska. "

goldwater wrote on August 26, 2008 9:02 am:
" Ha! This is hilarious. Not happy with their work environment? I work more than 40 hours a week and I am dissatisfied with my pay. The only real discrimination we have in this country is age discrimination. No one wants to talk about that. This article reminds me of Carli Simmon. Unfortunately, she got breast cancer. More unfortunately, she stated, “If this was a man’s disease they would have cured it by now.” She was quickly informed that 3 times more men die of prostate cancer than women of breast cancer, while breast cancer research receives 5 times more funding. Shut up Carli! Ladies, stop seeking a separate peace and accept that those men, working there beside you, are your best allies. They suffer as you do. They want for you what they want for themselves. The demographic dividers, only want to divide. "

Char wrote on August 26, 2008 9:56 am:
" I agree with the survey, but, there aren't any jobs out there especially when your at the age of 50+. The employers are looking at the younger women who can work for a little less but then not stay as long because they're not satisfied. EMPLOYERS: Hire the older women and you'll get better results and longer lasting employees. "

Mags wrote on August 26, 2008 10:07 am:
" This is news? Hel-lo, it's out there, most especially it seems in "white-bread" Midwest. Gender, age, race, ethnicity.... anywhere a power thinks they have a "victim" it exists. Education helps, going for the non-traditional jobs helps - know what tho? there's a lot more openings in the lower paying traditional jobs, than in the ones where you can actually make a good living. And just see how much crap a father gets for taking time off for sick children - directly or indirectly. Not saying it can't be done - there's just a rougher road when you're not already one of the "ol' boys". "

zippy wrote on August 26, 2008 10:47 am:
" What on earth would we expect a women's advocacy group to say!? If women were happy, then Nebraska Women Work! would have no reason to exist.

I was unhappy with my pay once. Know what I did? I improved my skills, changed my field and got a better job! And now I am very happy with my job and my pay!

If we women feel cheated and want the world to be a better place for us, we need to stop whining, buck up, and change our own circumstances! "

me wrote on August 26, 2008 10:51 am:
" I have seen sexual discrimination AND harassment at my workplace. I have also seen the women do nothing for fear of losing their job or alienating coworkers. Where I work this is the norm because of the reasons mentioned above. We need to find ways to empower those who are being harrassed or discriminated against, not point out that this crap still goes on. I think that this article fails to mention that everybody is discriminated somewhere and sometime in their life. As I said before, we need to give people the tools to handle these situations in an effective and efficient manner. "

Nina wrote on August 26, 2008 10:58 am:
" The 'good ol' boy' establishment is alive and well in Nebraska. My own work environment is great, and at my age I'm not only treated professionally at the office, but also sort of as a mother figure, which is fine with me, because I truly do think the world of my younger co-workers. But my younger sister and two daughters-in-law have experienced discrimination, one so big time she sued (and won) for harrassment by her supervisor. My daughter does not experience workplace discrimination, as she teaches in a private school that is headed by female adminstrators. Both she and I are assertive people, and in areas in which discrimination could occur, we weigh our priorities, which most often means we don't put up with certain older white men's 'better than thou' attitudes. On the other hand, we admire how some other older men have overcome their backgrounds to have grown with the times, to realize we are indeed equals. "

Yeah wrote on August 26, 2008 11:17 am:
" How can men know if women are discriminated or not, they don't walk in
their shoes!!! I can find you huge companies where 99% of the women are
still paid half or less than a man for the same job. Yeah, if your a
young blond and honey up the boss you can get paid double the man and do
nothing!! Seen that for years! I worked double the hours a man did and
was paid half, company sold, bosses moved to another company and BEGGED
me to go with them, then they REDUCED my salary. Joke was on them, that
company was sold and my boss died in his 50's!!! Golly, a good example
right now is Hillary!! Theres a world of men out there that weren't
going to let Hillary win! I believe she had as much or more experience
than Obama!!!! If you get into unions ya have more of a chance, but I
don't like unions and if you can't be appreciated for your hard work as
much as a man then I have NO respect for for the management!! "

Eric wrote on August 26, 2008 11:42 am:
" Sounds like a tainted survey to me. Of course there is going to be perceived discrimination. Without it groups such as NOW and Nebraska Women Work! would have no purpose. "

Pat wrote on August 26, 2008 12:14 pm:
" Just a couple things.

Regarding Hillary Clinton...maybe she has more experience than Obama. Her gender isn't the reason why she's not getting the nomination. People don't like her! They probably also are sick of the same families running our country.

Women also use gender to their advantage in the workplace. I've seen several hold it over management's head just to get what they want. And I hate to tell you this, but female management does this to male employees. Women think they're the only ones at a disadvantage, but that's just not the case. Older women and older men are passed over for younger workers who will do the same job for less pay.

Also, Yeah, I think the "half or less" pay claim is absolutely ridiculous. That is totally exaggerated. "

Silly Study wrote on August 26, 2008 12:42 pm:
" Voting to ban affirmitaive action will NOT change the things that this article talks about. AA is currently in place and this still goes on. It makes quotas that must be met and is the cause of situations like this. I could come to the conclusion that these women were hired to fill quota. Why would a company pay them well and treat them well if the company is forced by the state law to hire them in the first place. If the Company would be able to hire the person they wanted, they would probably pay that person good money. But no, they had to make sure they hired the proper number of women and minorities and now everyone is complaining.
As for getting jobs, I have been applying and keep getting told that someone else "fits into the company better" and that it is not me. Well, could that be because I am not a minority nor a women?
Darwin has a really good point. These are not scientific studies. Do you think that the women that are happy with their situation even care to spend time filling out stupid surveys? It is a fact that the people with complaints are more likely to fill out a survey than people that are happy.
This is just an article written trying to sway the future voters against the ban on our current AA law. "

Yes wrote on August 26, 2008 1:13 pm:
" Yes, it's true. I accept that I'm getting paid less than my male co-worker, but why am I expected to make coffee and clean the break room? "

Educated Female wrote on August 26, 2008 2:11 pm:
" How sad reading the many comments below it is much easier said than done to just get a job that pays more Lincoln alone has 8 colleges and universities so statistics do show that companies are more likely to hire college students for less money than educated applicants. I have over 10 years experience in my highly marketed field and a Masters degree and find that employers have told me I intimidate them for my education and skills and no my field is no in education or medical. "

Boo Hoo wrote on August 26, 2008 2:11 pm:
" Who doesn't work more than 40 hours a week and are dissatisfied with their current pay. Boo Hoo "

HPG wrote on August 26, 2008 2:12 pm:
" I am a whiter male and I am discriminated against everyday in the perceiveed interest of fairness. I don't get jobs because they go to women or minoriteis. I can't wait to vote in November to end this. "

MarkyMark wrote on August 26, 2008 2:14 pm:
" How can you question the validity of a survey without knowing it's method?... Do you just dream it up? Tell us why your opinion is what it is. "

not surprised wrote on August 26, 2008 2:31 pm:
" Had you been at the press conference you would have learned that the limitations of the research were clearly stated. Additionally, you would have learned from many sources how pay equity - even for the same education, same job title, one year after college - is still an unresolved problem. I am concerned about your daughter, sister, mother, or wife/partner if darwin [& others'] comments are their regard for the reality of women's lives and work.

Further, the lack of empathy for women who are not in your shoes is an outrage. Shame on all who think the answer is so easy. This being a white, male dominated culture ("none of our women friends have a problem"), over 80 years of effort to educate legislators, repair, replace poor policies, legislation - it still goes on perpetuating or exacerbating the problems.

We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. How many men would have tolerated this crap, accepted failure to implement laws, accepted being ignored for so long. But, if we make a big fisted deal about it ... well obviously that's not ladylike or acceptable.

Get informed. Vote smart. When they say "pro-life" and family values govern their voting - don't believe it. This situation would not be so entrenched if that were true. The report is available on www.nebraskawomenwork.org.

One more thing fellers: be careful what you vote for. The anti-affirmative action amendment on the ballot (besides misrepresenting what AA is) will be back to haunt you when the white males are outnumbered by 2040. Coupled with your "who cares" attitude about enforcement of civil rights laws you should have quite an awakening! "

Tom wrote on August 26, 2008 3:47 pm:
" Women are people, men are people. Some people make less than others because of differences in skills in a certain work environment. "

You know wrote on August 26, 2008 4:21 pm:
" There are a lot of comments from people who are obviously bitter about some personal situation with no sense of self, and comments from people who are obviously white males. That's annoying.
I have a degree. I graduated with honors, and was very involved in extra-curricular activities in both high school and college (and continue to be active in the community) and I'm a female. First, Lincoln almost scoffs at degrees--unless it's actually required. You'd think it'd give you a leg up, but when you can speak and spell and generally perform better than your uneducated boss and co-workers, they fear you. Couple that with being-well-not a troll, you run into a lot of issues around here. Probably everywhere, but we're talking Lincoln. Discrimination exists in a big way around here, and people are going to make judgments about me (which will support what I've experienced). Where it's allowed, it will happen.
Incidentally, 'not surprised' makes an excellent point about 2040. "

Pat wrote on August 26, 2008 4:51 pm:
" For those who would like to read the full survey report, go to www.nebraskawomenwork.org "

Tara wrote on August 26, 2008 4:55 pm:
" I got an advanced degree after college and received the unsolicited advice from a male collegue that I should apply to work at a certain business because they let their female employees work part time so they can care for their children. I don't have kids or a husband or even a boyfriend, yet I was already written off as a part-time/short-term employee. Discrimination can happen when they don't give you the job to begin with solely because you are physically capable of having a baby in the next 20 years. "

To Tom wrote on August 26, 2008 5:52 pm:
" Of course we know that some people make less than others because of differences in skills in a certain work environment. But why is it given the same skills in a certain work environment, females are generally paid less. A lot might have to do with the midwest way of thinking. We were told at a young age that women defer to a man, we are to take care of him and the children. Although that was a few generations ago, sons still think like this, and daughters are reluctant to speak up for themselves. At my work, it was understood, that men were the bread winners for the family, therefore, they got the bigger pay. It doesn't seem to matter that we have single mothers now, and even some older ladies who care for their husbands who don't work any longer. Men also seem to get more money just because the boses are men, they relate to sports, and generally they have a better relationship with a man because they can "bond" with them. It's not fair, but I am one who actually likes my job, so I deal with it. After 40+ years at one job, I'm not going to rock the boat. Besides, if we speak too loudly, there is always another one to take our place. "

Hairy wrote on August 26, 2008 6:09 pm:
" What part of "illegal" when used in discrimination laws do you people not understand. Illegal is illegal unless it fits your stuff? "

help is coming wrote on August 27, 2008 9:01 am:
" As soon as we get this affirmative action repeal passed, discrimination against women and old folks will disappear! "

state worker wrote on August 27, 2008 10:04 am:
" find any state agency headed by a female and then look at the
number of women below her in the 'decision making' positions.
they out number the men by probably 3 to 1. then imagine
working in one of those agency and you are a male. yes -
discrimination DOES happen - and it's not always to a 'minority'.
take a good look at 'Title IX' - it protects EVERYONE except white
males. I'm not kidding. Look how it is worded and the only
'group' left of the protected list is white males.... "

Women earn less for the same work wrote on August 27, 2008 9:26 pm:
" and that is discrimination. Don't believe it? Go to the Department of Labor website and the U.S. census. It isn't just that women 'choose' careers that pay less than the careers men choose. Every specific job category shows that women earn less than men. Every job category the top paid women earn less than the top paid men, the entry level women earn less than the entry level men. Even nursing, women earn less than men. That is discrimination, that leads to dissatisfaction in your workplace. How many of you men would be happy with your work if you were making 25% less than the guy in the cubicle next to you? I'd be furious! "

Affirmative Action wrote on August 27, 2008 9:34 pm:
" The anti-equality bill could in fact affect what this article talks about. Any programs that want to use government funding or grant to carry on their work with a focus on Gender, I presume will not be able to do that as they are giving preference to women. Want to recruit young girls to become scientists? Sounds like this new law would not allow that. Correct me if I'm wrong. Facts please. Don't need any of your political nonsense. "