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Pickens in Lincoln: Time to break oil dependence

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By RICHARD PIERSOL / Lincoln Journal Star

Wednesday, Aug 20, 2008 - 06:29:33 pm CDT

A standing-room-only crowd at the Lancaster Event Center heard Oklahoma oilman turned new-age energy advocate T. Boone Pickens’ plea Wednesday for a public commitment to independence from foreign oil.

Pumped up and prepped with country music, the electricity of 1,200 people flowed through the center like Pickens wants it to flow from windmills on the Plains, something like those Lincoln Electric System runs within sight of the event center.

Pickens was in Lincoln on his $58 million, nationwide campaign to use wind energy production to replace natural gas use for electric generation, so the gas can be diverted to powering motor vehicles.

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Texas oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens addresses a crowded hall Wednesday at the Lancaster Event Center, where he was promoting his plan for energy independence. (Eric Gregory)
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A crowd of more than 1,200 people gathered to hear oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens, Wednesday. The group, eager for answers to the country’s energy woes, seemed to include representatives from all demographic categories in Nebraska.

Here’s a sampling of what they said:

"I believe in him. We have to get off of oil any way we can or the whole planet is going to be like Beijing. I'm worried about the environmental effect and dependence on foreign oil -- it will kill us." --Maxine Messing, Lincoln

"We need to use less oil, it doesn't matter who is saying it, we need to use less oil and coal." --John Mekota, Crete

"I'm surprised to see a big oil man swap horses, but I presume he's a good American and that's the reason why he's changed." --Don Crecelius, Lincoln

"Anything American is good, everything needs to be on the table ... This is being environmental the responsible way, through renewables, solar energy." --Mike Johanns, U.S. Senate candidate, Republican

"There is tremendous potential to develop energy sources in the U.S. -- oil, wind, solar, nuclear, biofuels, but there has been a failure of leadership in Washington ... American ingenuity can help solve energy problems.” --Scott Kleeb, U.S. Senate candidate, Democrat

-- Lisa Munger

“Let’s talk serious,” Pickens said, folksy as only a billionaire can be, after opening with the obligatory Cornhusker and Okie State jokes. Pickens is a patron of the Oklahoma State Cowboys.

The root of America’s energy problem, and the intolerably high prices now, is the history of cheap oil, which encouraged dependence on foreign sources, he said.

“We didn’t have leadership that did anything about it,” he said, drawing applause.  “It’s really all of us to blame. I am, you are. Because of cheap oil. Cheap oil stopped all the alternatives.”

Now, we’re 70 percent dependent on foreign sources, which Pickens described as a few friends and some enemies.

“I’m convinced we’re paying for both sides of this war,” he said.   “We’re doing something that could be identified as stupid.”

In five to 10 years, assuming fast action on production tax credits by Congress and the executive branch, the U.S. could replace more than one-third of imported oil with energy from domestic sources, according to Pickens, saving more than $230 billion a year.

It can’t be done drilling more on either coast or in Alaska, Pickens said, but he doesn’t want to rule out any domestic energy source — biofuels, nuclear, oil, natural gas, wind, coal, hydro and others.

“I’m for anything that’s American,” he said.

Renewable energy represents only 2 percent of U.S. energy today, but there is conclusive evidence that 20 percent could come from electricity generated by windmills in the “wind corridor” between West Texas and the Canadian border, according to the Pickens Plan.

The potential is there to revive rural America economically in that corridor, Pickens said, with a developed wind-energy industry that can move electricity to the nationwide grid.

The key, he said, is to tap natural gas trapped in shale formations in Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Appalachia.

If wind energy can replace gas used in producing electricity, then the gas can be used to drive motor vehicles, especially the nation’s trucks and fleets.

“I’m after the trucks,” he said. “The battery won’t move the 18-wheeler.”

Pickens said his public campaign started in the middle of the night July 1, talking to his wife.

He said he told her the American people weren’t being told the whole story about energy.

“She said, ‘Look, I want you to tell them the whole story, and I want to go to sleep.’ Next day, I said, ‘OK, I’m gonna do it.’”

Pickens said he spoke last week with the two presidential candidates, and both were receptive enough to his plan for him to feel confident taking it to Congress.

He also sought and says he picked up an endorsement from the richest guy in Nebraska.

“Warren says I’m on the right track,” Pickens said.

He’s also picked up a wide range of news media followers:  Among those attending the Lincoln event were representatives from Australian television, MTV and 60 Minutes.

Taking questions from a few among dozens of people lined up in the audience, Pickens emphasized the natural gas solution he describes as merely a “bridge” to hydrogen-powered and electrically driven motor vehicles.

“Natural gas will only work for 20 or 30 years,” Pickens said. “After that, you’re going to have to figure it out. I won’t be here.”

Reach Richard Piersol at 473-7241 or rpiersol@journalstar.com.


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Berten Earnest wrote on August 20, 2008 9:53 am:
" I'll admit, I too was very intrigued by Pickens plan at first, but after some careful consideration, you really have to stop and consider a few things.

#1. His plan requires massive subsidies to work. Any business plan worth its weight in salt is viable without subsidies.

#2. What's in it for him? The basic rule in economics is always lookout for number 1, so what is number 1 getting out of this? A quicker turn around on his own investment.

#3. Wind and Solar energy generation is not reliable enough to build 1/5th of our power grid without some sort of coal/oil backup.

I agree that solutions need to be considered, but Pickens plan is a bit too shady to support. "

Rudy wrote on August 20, 2008 9:55 am:
" I like his ideas. Plus, he supports Oklahoma State sports. This is a good guy. "

Steve wrote on August 20, 2008 10:31 am:
" Windmills are ugly.

If, windmills are such a good idea, why does T. Boone need our money? The fact of the matter is, windmills are not practical electrical producers. They are expensive, not reliable, and are inefficient producers of electricity. In addition, windmills are unsightly and environmentally unfriendly, as they are known to kill great numbers of birds.

For an investment of $1 trillion dollars, private enterprise could build 50 nuclear power plants that would equal the electrical output of 1,000 Hoover dams. These plants could reduce the USA's $6-700 billion annual energy trade deficit into an annual trade surplus of $400 million. This plan would be paid for by private investors, not the American taxpayer. "

Late ODay wrote on August 20, 2008 10:36 am:
" Pickens was one of the clowns who helped bankroll the Swiftboat smear campaign against Kerry. He has nothing to say that I want to hear. "

JB wrote on August 20, 2008 10:37 am:
" A big NO to more offshore drilling and in the artic. We much find new sources of energy. Henry Ford would be so surprised that our cars are still so much like his Model T. I believe that nuclear energy is the way to go if it can be made safer and a way is found to get rid of it's waste. "

water... wrote on August 20, 2008 10:38 am:
" is what's in it for him. the land he is proposing building his windfarm on in texas is being eminent domained to him and has the largest underground aquifer in the area there. he will control the land, the power the windmills generate and the water underneath them to sell for irrigation purposes. just think what would happen if he started getting ahold of land in nebraska and got control of the ogalalla aquifer "

Matt wrote on August 20, 2008 10:40 am:
" Why is him making money off of this such a big deal? Isn’t he a businessman? Do you get mad or question them making money when a new restaurant goes up or a new hotel?? How dare people make money from investments! How dare someone propose a plan to lessen our dependence on foreign oil! Come on…. "

John wrote on August 20, 2008 10:41 am:
" Wish Buffet was half as good as Pickens when it comes to giving his money away to his home state. Instead Buffet is giving his money to Bill Gates for him to give it away. How much of it will come back to Nebraska? "

Curious wrote on August 20, 2008 10:50 am:
" He wants to decrease this countries dependence on foreign oil? Great idea. However, would our dependence on domestic oil increase? Want to bet Mr. Pickens would benefit a great deal from that? "

amazed wrote on August 20, 2008 11:02 am:
" Swift-boater Pickens has one thing in mind - to line his pockets with the taxpayers money. His entire plan is for the government to pay for his investment. The right-wing extremist says this is nonpartisan - he's willing to steal both Republican and Democratic taxpayers money. "

Tim wrote on August 20, 2008 11:06 am:
" Mr. Pickens has made billions on natural gas and still owns a ton of natural gas wells. So who will profit by putting cars on natural gas?

The reason we buy so much oil from overseas is because of all the limitations placed on the oil companies by our big brother, for the children government.

I am not knocking him for trying to get us off of oil but please don't act like a saint for doing it. {Can you say Al Gore and how he owns a carbon credit bank (where we have to buy carbon credits to live).} Do you know Nancy Pelosi is a share holder in Mr. Pickens company? To get government subsidies just follow the money trail. "

Husker Girl wrote on August 20, 2008 11:10 am:
" Berten Earnest, where did you come up with your numbers and "facts"? Give some references, please. What's in it for him? Money, and the fact that he gets to see this nation continue to thrive for his children and generations to come, while not depending on foreign oil and interests abroad that leave us with our hands tied. Is it bad for him to want this, and earn money while he's at it? Isn't that the American dream? If he did this all for free, would you be happier? Why on earth do you think the man is shady? Simply b/c he's a millionaire? So, let me understand this. The man has has a vision, he has been successful in his business endeavors in the past, he has influence, he has viable, good, and maybe even environmentally friendlier ideas to give our nation relief from the energy crisis we face, but he's already rich and you think he's shady and might earn more money from this, so we should not support him. The man is a self made millionaire and a business genius. Let's listen to him and dry to dig ourselves out of the hole we are in. "

Susan wrote on August 20, 2008 11:14 am:
" We have depended on foreign oil for decades and will continue to do so, there isn't anything wrong with that. However the nation should move to greater conservation efforts. Pickens is wrong about natural gas as a transportation fuel, we need to save/use it as an industrial and heating resource. Imagine the price natural gas would be for heating your home in the winter if there were added demand by millions of drivers. Common sense says don't put more stress on natural gas as it already is expensive and a finite resource. I think common sense supports wind turbines, but read about the land grab scandels in NY state if you want the initial wave of problems associated with wind. "

Captain Logic wrote on August 20, 2008 11:33 am:
" Some plans do require subsidies. It's not always a good idea to wait for an economic pinch to push a slow process into action--that's inviting long recessions. Plus, energy independence is not just a business plan for the U.S., it is a strategic plan.

That being said, no doubt Mr. Pickens is looking forward to getting into the action early and receiving those subsidies. "

Tom wrote on August 20, 2008 11:39 am:
" Did you know, 60 per cent of liquid natural gas plants (trains) were shut down last year? That means countries like Japan are facing an 80 per cent rise in natural gas heating costs this winter. Pickens is well positioned to make money from his plan, with a little effort one can find his stock positions. "

Sherri wrote on August 20, 2008 11:52 am:
" Pickens doesn't specify it but mass conservation and mass transportation are two keystones needed to build an infrastructure for the 21st century. Lincoln needs to assure her mass transportation systems are improved so they are more effective. It is difficult to get to many adjacent neighborhoods without first having to go downtown. Also, though improved, making appointments at doctors offices is difficult, the best routes are the few to the Bryan Plaza, that means better civil engineering and planning need to take place. And getting to the proposed Haymarket arena? Forget it! There isn't even bus service in the evening!!!!!!! "

ET wrote on August 20, 2008 11:56 am:
" Well, gee, if he supports Oklahoma State Sports, wow, we should go with his plans, because he supports some unrelated topic that you just happen to agree with. CRITICAL THINKING - ZERO points for you. "

Used to be GOP wrote on August 20, 2008 11:56 am:
" It's too bad that President Bush chose for so many years to bury his head in the sand on this issue. It should have been obvious after 911 that continued reliance on oil was a huge national security risk. Instead of a viable energy program, we put all of our resources into an effort to gain control over an oil-producing region.

Bush and his supporters have focused on the short term; typical American corporate thinking. Those who want to drill offshore or in Alaska are also neglecting the big picture. We must develop solutions that are long term and sustainable. I don't know if Mr. Pickens' plan is feasible, but I salute him for trying.

No matter what we do, worldwide demand for oil is going straight up. It is used not only to power vehicles, but also in plastics. If we burn up all of our oil reserves in gas tanks, manufacturing will grind to a halt. Reducing the consumption of oil must become an immediate national priority. I personally believe that cellulosic ethanol is one of our best alternatives; it would bring tremendous prosperity to this region.

I'm sick of hearing people say that renewable energy sources cannot meet our needs. I happen to have faith in American ingenuity and innovation. If we had adopted this defeatist attitude in the past, we would have never become a nation, built an atomic bomb, or gone to the moon. An effort of this magnitude requires the government to provide coordination, resources and incentives. This has been sorely lacking. "

JR wrote on August 20, 2008 12:10 pm:
" Bertan, I agree with you on it being an intriguing plan. And you are correct to look twice, maybe even three times at his plan. To answer your points, 1. You are correct, any plan should be viable within a few years. But aren't we still subsidizing big oil with huge tax breaks? 2. He won't go broke with this plan, that is for sure. He has a way to make some money, but then isn't that what we want, private enterprise leading the way? 3. Maybe not yet, but look how much more efficient they are becoming. Something tells me we are finally starting in the right direction.

Whether Pickens plan is the one that works, or someone else's, I don't really care. What makes me happy is the fact we are finally talking about it. Something we should have been doing since the 80's. "

Mike wrote on August 20, 2008 12:16 pm:
" Hey already made his money so now he it just trying new things. I doubt he would have been doing this years ago when he was working a normal 9-5 job. "

Truth Detector wrote on August 20, 2008 12:23 pm:
" Oddly enough, nowhere in this story does it note that Pickens himself has more than $10 BILLION at stake in a wind farm investment in Texas! You want to talk serious, Boone? Drop the sales pitch and face the reality that wind, even in the 'wind corridor', blows only 50% of the time. Right now, in the middle of August (at 12:30 p.m.), it's blowing 3 mph in Lincoln.

Wake up, America. You need more domestic oil. More domestic nuclear. Quit letting the self-interested profiteers and self-destructive enviros fool you into bad investments or -- worse yet -- become completely unproductive. "

was there wrote on August 20, 2008 12:23 pm:
" absolutely government needs to step in and provide the corridors to get the power to the grid. That is his main purpose for this campaign, to get enough people envolved so that our government has to listen.

Berten... you state in your question the answer... wind/solar IS reliable to build 1/5th of our power needs. What is it you think the other 4/5th is coming from? Wind is a supplement, not a cure all. It is all about lowering on dependence on foreign oil, not eliminating oil use. Not in the short term.

I suggest you learn a little more about how the implementation of alternative energies work and then reconsider your questions. I would guess you probably assume that because the sun goes down, that you can no longer produce solar energy at night? That would tell me you have only looked at solar panels and nothing of storage processes. Or that Solar can be used to generate heat to power steam turbines which run well after the sun has gone down.

glad to see you did some research and are thinking this through rather than accepting blindly. Just do a little more research and better yet, get out and speak with people who actually work with these technologies.

Me. I am excited to see someone of influence leaning their weight to such an important issue.

Pickens is a Patriot and should be commended for his efforts! "

SB wrote on August 20, 2008 12:30 pm:
" #1 – how do explain agricultural business and foreign oil business; all heavily subsidized?

#2 – Any good business man or investor and the US as a whole stand to make a lot of money from homeland energy investments.

#3 – if tens of thousands of businesses, buildings, corporations, and industries throughout the world are currently running either completely on renewable energy or with no net energy consumption, please explain how renewable energy (including wind and solar) is not viable? "

backup wrote on August 20, 2008 12:48 pm:
" Will we sit in the dark when the wind doesn't blow or are we to have multibillion dollar power plants sitting by as backup more than doubling the cost of electricity? "

check him out wrote on August 20, 2008 12:59 pm:
" For all those who appear to trust Pickens....just do some Internet searches. You'll find him saying that water is the new oil, and he's been involved in some shady work in TX that gave him right of way to pipe water to cities like Dallas. He wants to drain water out of the Ogallala Acquifer and sell it to urban areas. If he builds a swath of wind generators through the Midwest, it paves the way to run pipes under that and drain our water out from underneath us. To those of you who don't mind his making lots of money...do you mind not having water in a few years? Do you mind paying outrageious sums of money for water? Do you mind all your food costs going up because farmers can't afford water for crops and livestock? Pickens is trying to look like an energy white knight, while laying the ground work for disaster for water rights in the Midwest. "

Berten Earnest wrote on August 20, 2008 1:03 pm:
" Husker Girl, the minute anyone asks for a subsidy (or corporate welfare) they are no longer talking about a business venture, they are talking about a public project. As I stated earlier, any business plan that has merit can be accomplished WITHOUT subsidies. The fact that he has been successful in private ventures makes me that much more suspicious that he wants the public to bankroll this venture. Private ventures have to promise a good chance of a return on investment, ventures that are based on subsidies DO NOT. At least in the private sector you can expect a prospectus of a risky investment. Domestic energy independence is a noble goal, but it can be accomplished without tax dollars. "

Wind bags wrote on August 20, 2008 1:23 pm:
" This guy has more money than he will ever need. The man is old and is trying to leave his mark on society. I don't think he cares one bit if he makes a dime if we can break our dependence on other countries oil. Did anyone see the couple in the front row? I wonder if he paid any attention or was just there for a campaign donation. It you think T. Boone is out there Johanns is in orbit. How could anyone vote for this guy?????????? "

Y wrote on August 20, 2008 1:36 pm:
" If nuclear energy was a viable option, it would have been done by now. There is currently no safe way to deal with the radioactive waste. The more nuclear plants that we build, the greater the risk that we consume radioactive wast in our water and food. It would be great, but is not yet an option. Drilling may help for a couple of years, but not too much. We currently have the technology for a high percentage of our electricity to come from wind and solar, but congress (the Republicans) let the renewable energy bill expire and no tax credits are available for companies willing to invest in these options. We need to get off oil, and even a big oilman in Pickens can see that there is no money to be made in oil which means that it is running out. "

Mike in DC wrote on August 20, 2008 1:41 pm:
" You know, one could put a windmill and solar panels up on their own property. It will soon be as simple as hanging wallpaper up on the outside of your house--solar technology is getting that good and that thin. Has anyone done studies as to the effects of removing all this energy (wind and power) from the atmosphere? Somebody is going to get less precipitation, but will it be substantial/significant? Nuclear power is a no go. Even the NRC admits that engineering can NEVER guarantee a no-leak facility, and many Nuke powerplants already leak tritiated water into the subsurface, how can high-level stuff be trusted over a million years--the time the courts say the EPA must use for the risk assessment of Yucca Mtn? Green energy viable? Air Force already obtains 10% of it's power from green sources, while several military bases are highly greened; National Park Service Ellis Island = 100%. EPA gets 100% of it's power from green energy. GSA gets about 1/3rd. Intel and Pepsico get massive amounts of green power. Nothing is without it's drawbacks, but at least we're all now beginning to think outside of the oil barrel. But, I don't see why we need a Pickens plan. The wheel is already in motion, and we shouldn't need subsidies on a grand scale. If he wants a legacy, maybe he can put some of his own fortune --> realizing that it's from natural resources, not from a business model, or an innovative design, or a world-changing technology, but from owning stuff that should, just like gw in Nebraska, belong only to the people and they should benefit from the profits. "

local wrote on August 20, 2008 1:51 pm:
" I am not sure if Mr. Pickens plan is the best, but I am very confused by all these people saying lets put more money into Nuclear (If we can find a safer way of building the plants and if we can find a way to dispose of the waste) Nuclear has been around for over 50 years and those problems have not been solved , the best minds in science have looked at ways to improve nuclear and it has not happened, why do you think it will now. Also the comments on how "Ugly" wind generators are, have you seen an oil rig? Wind generaters are actually sleek and simple in design. It is time to get ovr the wishing that this would all go away and actually try to make it better, wind uses a constant renewable resource and causes no permenent damage to our environment and would not leave our children living with the toxic aftermath. We need to think beyond our immediate world and look down the road and what kind of a world our kids will live in. "

topaz wrote on August 20, 2008 2:53 pm:
" While I believe in developing alternative energy sources, I don't think people should blindly follow Pickens or revere him as some sort of Energy Messiah.

He has much to gain by all this. What is scary is that this paves the way for a corridor through the Midwest where he can use emminent domain and other methods to build a water pipeline that piggybacks onto the wind corridor. He'll then use that to drain water out of the Ogallala Acquifer to sell water to Dallas and other urban areas. He's just using wind to set the stage for his water interests. Watch out! We'll be paying more for increasingly scarce water in the future, and Pickens will be dead and gone while we suffer from his greed that he disguises as a desire to help America. "

Jay wrote on August 20, 2008 2:57 pm:
" I want more foreign oil and nuclear. That way, in 30 years, the rest of you can figure out which of your backyards to put the leftover nuclear waste. Let's make as many nuclear plants as we can. They look better than a wind turbine anyway, especially with the steam stacks coming out. I can see it now, postcard from Nebraska to my family about my visit to the local Nuclear plant. I'll stick to my off grid home and the rest of you can foot the bills. "

All you doubters... wrote on August 20, 2008 3:16 pm:
" Should remember that many 'experts' used to claim that the world was flat and that man would never fly but guess what...

It is very unfortunate when forward thinkers such as Pickens get insulted for thinking outside the box. Not to mention the guy is a billionare, do you really think he wants more money? "

Nina wrote on August 20, 2008 5:32 pm:
" Pickens' comments tell of wise, common-sense solutions. We have not only a chance to save America for future generations, but to also be pioneers in energy development. I would love to see a couple of the beautiful and graceful windmills on our farm - last week I noticed several on Iowa farms. But I must confess (the devil made me do it!) that while I quickly realized I agreed with his advice, suspicion crept in to make me wonder if this billionaire now had stock in windmill technology products. Although I will always look back fondly on the time of feeling the power surge of a big V-8, hearing the sweet sound of racking the glasspacks, laying a little rubber in second gear, etc. (yep, this gramma is a hotrod has-been), I realize that just as the horse and buggy gave way to motor vehicles, so motor vehicles must also give way to future transports using (what now seems strange) new modes of energy, new ways of assuring safety, etc. that will someday be the norm. Count me in - you really CAN teach an old dog new tricks! "

Dana wrote on August 20, 2008 5:58 pm:
" Do your homework on good ol boy, TBone. Don't assume he's really interested and looking out for you. Don't be fooled. There is plenty in this plan for him. Don't buy everything you hear until you check it out yourself. I did and the guy is scarey. Do your homework, people. "

wow wrote on August 20, 2008 7:32 pm:
" As typical of this site. So many negative opinions. So my question to those of you that think this idea is so wrong. If you feel so strongly about this, why weren't you at the meeting and asking him questions when he offered an open mike?

My next question for those of you that say he is going to be lining his pockets with this plan... Did he ever say he wasn't trying to make a profit? Better yet. How many of you spend a large percentage of your time doing something other than trying to line your own pocket to pay for oh... say gas? "

Big Bird wrote on August 20, 2008 8:36 pm:
" "#1. His plan requires massive subsidies to work. Any business plan worth its weight in salt is viable without subsidies." Are you serious? Do you know the amount of transportation and oil industry subsidy it took to get us to this point? We would have almost no roads, highways, interstates to drive our automobiles on without 'subsidies'.

#2. What's in it for him? The basic rule in economics is always lookout for number 1, so what is number 1 getting out of this? A quicker turn around on his own investment. A good question, but why not first look at the naysayers and find out what their interest in maintaining the status quo is.

#3. Wind and Solar energy generation is not reliable enough to build 1/5th of our power grid without some sort of coal/oil backup. How do you know that? "

DBone wrote on August 20, 2008 9:23 pm:
" Glad to see Buffett and Gates in Canada's oil sands; to bad it is not sweet and light. Buffett and Gates are well aware of business opportunities and has taken a global perspective Each has holdings in energy companies and are expanding in them for yes, building a Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation for the future. It should be interesting to see how much Buffett increases his stake in Conoco. As for wind farms, ever been to Palm Springs, CA? Also BP and E.ON are building wind farms in Europe...Pickens may well be, as suggested, looking for water rights and exploiting Nebraska's valuable resoures; the Unicameral would be reactive and stewards if they begin to better manage water and make water do for Nebraskan what oil has done for Alaskans. "

BooneObserved wrote on August 20, 2008 9:54 pm:
" Pickens is just a Republican who finally has seen the light and calls it being a "pioneer". If he had listened to the Democrats long ago, the war in Iraq may not have been so crucial. Pickens' change is "inspired" by motives mentioned above...mostly to redeem his soul in the eyes of the public for helping create the mess we are in and with great profit. "

lookthefuture wrote on August 20, 2008 10:50 pm:
" I really do not care to find what his intentions are, i really want to see less reliance on current fuels, and more on futire fuels. Whether it be wind farms, ethanol fuels. People wind energy is natural, we don't have to generate it , just harness it. Lets think differently here. LES once said it is costly to run the two north lincoln wind generators. I do believe that is true , but if you had 2,000 wind generators the cost would be less overall, The box is getting bigger everyday, lets junp outside the box and think on our own, Just like Edison, Ford, Wrigley, Winchester, and the list goes on..Have we lost the idea of new invention? "

DJ wrote on August 21, 2008 6:46 am:
" I think T. Boone may be on to something. It will take 233 5-megawatt wind turbines to equal a coal plant's output, since the wind doesn't blow constantly. Each would need to be spaced 2,065 feet away from the others (five times the diameter of their 413-foot rotors). Adding the rotor diameters to the spacing requirement equates to a 110-mile long line of windmills, half a mile in width.
It comes to 55 square miles. That's to provide electricity for a town of 300,000 people. "

Outside the Box wrote on August 21, 2008 8:54 am:
" The reason we're paying $4 per gallon is because no one has taken the lead on energy independence and tried to promote change.

Of course Pickens will profit. This is America - the industry leaders should be ones to profit.

Yes, the wind does not blow 24/7, but when it does why should we not harness it's potential to ultimately save us money? Seems like a no brainer. "