Ruling puts gun law in spotlight
By LORI PILGER / Lincoln Journal Star
A judge tossed charges against a pair of teens who took rifles onto a Lincoln college campus because Nebraska lawmakers’ intentions were unclear.
Did they intend for a law barring firearms from school grounds to apply to colleges? Or just K-12?
Who better to ask than the man who back in 1994 introduced LB988, the bill that would become State Statute 28-1204.04.
Former Sen. John Lindsay of Omaha, now a lobbyist in Lincoln, said he couldn’t remember whether they intended to, or talked about, including colleges.
The speaker of the Legislature in 1994 didn’t remember, either.
But staff for Sen. Ben Nelson, who as governor asked Lindsay to introduce the bill, said they were going after the K-12 schools, not college campuses.
“At the time there were kids all of a sudden taking guns into schools,” said Jim Fagin, Nelson’s deputy communications director. “It was a problem at the time, and they wanted to address it.”
The intentions — remembered by some and forgotten by others — found their way to the heart of a criminal case involving two young men who carried rifles to UNL’s student union Sept. 19 for a College Republicans meeting to talk about the National Rifle Association.
The state argued senators didn’t define the word school in statute, but because it isn’t a technical word they didn’t have to define it. The plain meaning of the word would include any educational institution, attorneys said.
Defense attorneys contended the words were not synonymous, and that the Legislature either intentionally or inadvertently excluded a college campus from the law’s scope. It wasn’t for the courts to supply missing words to make a statute clear.
In his ruling on Monday, Lancaster County Judge Gale Pokorny sided with the defense, dismissing charges against Colin Fury, 18, and Craig Clark, 19.
Pokorny said it was noteworthy the Legislature learned of a potential definition problem in 2006 through an opinion by Attorney General Jon Bruning.
Lawmakers amended the Concealed Handgun Permit Act the next session to fix it but chose not to do the same with a related statute: “unlawful possession of a firearm on school grounds.”
Which led to the debate over the charge and Pokorny’s ruling.
Asked what he recalled of the bill, Lindsay said he introduced it 14 years ago as part of a larger crime bill.
“At the time there was a concern about guns being brought onto school grounds,” he said.
It was a concern, Lindsay said, but back then — five years before Columbine, 13 years before Virginia Tech — senators didn’t know just how real the threat was.
Lindsay said there’d been some incidents of kids bringing guns to school, and state senators started asking questions.
What if someone brings a gun to a high school football game? Or Memorial Stadium? Or anywhere else emotions run high?
Not everyone was for the idea to bar guns from schools. Lindsay remembered debate over whether parents with gun racks in pickups could pick up their kids at school if the bill passed?
But the more contentious part of the 1994 juvenile crime bill was a youth boot camp, according to Lincoln Journal archives.
“School is for teaching children; it is not for possessing guns,” a reporter quoted Lindsay saying in March 1994.
The bill would reduce violence among youth, he said in another story.
Senators voted 45-1 to pass it.
After a story in Tuesday’s paper, then-Speaker of the Legislature Ron Withem, director of government relations for the University of Nebraska today, tried to think back to 1994.
“But I couldn’t come up with any concrete answers,” he said.
Withem remembered other issues, like a provision for mandatory expulsions that was dropped. Not a discussion if it should apply to colleges and universities.
Pokorny said in his ruling, a review of floor debate and legislative history of the bill revealed references to juvenile justice, but no specific discussion or definition of “school.”
He threw the charges out Monday.
University policy forbids guns on campus, regardless.
On Friday, Fagin clarified Nelson’s intention. Though his staff couldn’t recall the detail behind the 1994 bill, Nelson did.
“The senator said we weren’t trying to solve all the problems. We were looking to solve the problem at the time,” Fagin said.
It seems to have made a difference, he said.
To try to go beyond that to college campuses could lead to a lot of complications, Fagin said.
For one thing, he said, sprawling public campuses are different than grade schools where people need to check in at the door.
“You’re dealing with adults versus children,” Fagin said.
Lindsay said legally colleges always have been treated differently than primary schools, partly for just that reason.
“I think there is a difference,” he said.
“Now the Legislature certainly could include colleges or universities within the meaning of that statute, and we could have at that time. ... I suspect the difference wasn’t even discussed.”
The law came up in the Legislature again in 2002, when former Sen. Kermit Brashear introduced a bill to raise the penalty for violations. But, he said Friday, they didn’t revisit the substance of the already existing statute.
In 2002, everyone who testified on the bill was from K-12 school boards or groups. And the law includes an exception for “nonstudent adults,” which Brashear said seemed to indicate it was intended to apply to K-12 schools.
For the most part, he said, the word “school” in statutes means K-12. But it can mean a postsecondary institution, too.
“So it is not clear whether there was an understanding that the statute originally applied to colleges or not, and nothing we did in our bill appears to change that understanding one way or the other,” Brashear said.
Reach Lori Pilger at 473-7237 or lpilger@journalstar.com.

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Raymond wrote on June 9, 2008 7:47 am:
The question of guns on campus is a moot one as the ones we have to really worry about are the ones who don't care about laws anyway. If anything, if the students at colleges where mass murders have happened were allowed to carry, perhaps innocent lives could have been saved. "
tim wrote on June 9, 2008 11:57 am:
TS wrote on June 9, 2008 12:25 pm:
Your logic is absolutely sensible. Armed students may have been able to intervene in a situation such as Virginia Tech and perhaps also may have stopped the shooter. However, that example is just a tiny microcosm that his been plucked out of the larger picture. With gun control in place there will always be individuals who ignore the law and bring death and destruction on a relatively small scale. We live with that risk every day. It is a riskier situation when individuals are allowed to carry guns at all times. If concealed weapons are pervasive, then we'll not only have to deal with the psychopathic behavior of individuals such as the Virginia Tech shooter, we'll have to deal with all of the deaths that will occur in the course of daily human conflict due to the easy access of deadly weapons. "
JL wrote on June 9, 2008 1:42 pm:
Your logic regarding concealed weapons is not sensible. I recall all the doom and gloom warnings that were hypothisized when Nebraska introduced concealed carry laws, and there has yet to be any violence or death from a concealed carry permit holder. "
HTA wrote on June 9, 2008 2:25 pm:
Wyo Cowboy wrote on June 9, 2008 2:28 pm:
Anybody ever heard of Pershing Rifles?....John J. Pershing or Pershing Auditorium? It's part of your history and education. Get over it!
Just do a search of "Pershing" or "Pershing Rifles" on the Internet and UNL websites and see what all comes up.
Here's a few to help you get started:
http://www.pershingriflessociety.org/
http://si-backup.unl.edu/einvolvement/rsoinfo.php?id=142
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pershing_Rifles
http://web.mit.edu/c12abn/www/history_nspr.shtml
http://historicbuildings.unl.edu/building.php?b=88
. "
mitchy_v wrote on June 9, 2008 2:40 pm:
bob wrote on June 9, 2008 2:42 pm:
And TC...sorry you logic is way off. Just because CCW holders have weapons does not mean they are more likely to use them in situations...I feel it is the opposite. As a CCW person you are more likely to try and defuse the situation then esculate it.
To get a CCW you must pass backround checks. Take a extensive class. Prove you are profficent with your gun. And re-apply from time to time. CCW people are more likely to follow the laws to a T then break them. "
Warder wrote on June 9, 2008 4:29 pm:
If guns kill people then:
Pencils miss spel words.
Cars make people drive drunk
TV's make you watch too much
Sweden gives semi-automatic weapons to adult males for their mandatory military service. They are expected to maintain their weapon and keep trained through out most of their adult lives. Even though almost half their population is well armed, their gun crime rate is almost zero. "
mark wrote on June 9, 2008 6:24 pm:
With all due respect, are you aware that most states (46) allow citizens with permits to carry concealed firearms, and two states do not require citizens to obtain a permit in order to carry concealed firearms?
Legally concealed firearms are not uncommon.
Deaths caused by permit holders are extremely uncommon. "
Ban the guns wrote on June 9, 2008 8:04 pm:
While I agree there has been no incident yet involving a permit with a concealed carry permit - I have read of no instances of any of these people stopping a crime either.
I love the "makeing explosives illegal would not stop terrorism" quote. Using that logic we might as well allow every household to have nuclear weapons. My guess is that if we did that today - the world would be gone tomorrow. "
Just wonderful wrote on June 9, 2008 10:23 pm:
Warder wrote on June 9, 2008 11:03 pm:
Of course we can't dispute it, but it's an irrelevant fact. Here in the real world we have guns, and they're an issue.
Saying we might as well give everyone a nuke is just as irrelevant. It totally misses the point at hand. Since you missed it, the point is outlawing something won't necessarily stop it. "
mitchy_v wrote on June 10, 2008 7:50 am:
Hey Ban the Guns... wrote on June 10, 2008 9:11 am:
Ban Guns wrote on June 10, 2008 1:32 pm:
In a life and death situation I certainly would rather face someone throwing rocks than with an automatic weapon. "
ranger wrote on June 10, 2008 2:12 pm:
Jen wrote on June 10, 2008 3:23 pm:
mark wrote on June 10, 2008 4:48 pm:
In light of recent highly publicized assaults against school children and college students many would say that it is completely logical for someone in the schools to be armed...someone besides an assailant!
The intellegent logical reason: to insure the safety of the students. "
Kevin wrote on June 10, 2008 4:52 pm: