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BY DEENA WINTER / Lincoln Journal Star

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 - 11:50:38 pm CDT

And then there were two.

The field of five development teams vying for a piece of Lincoln’s proposed arena project has been narrowed to Missouri hotel magnate John Q. Hammons and a team led by local real estate developers Robert and Will Scott.

Assistant Planning Director Kent Morgan confirmed that John Q. Hammons Industries and a development team led by the Scott brothers are finalists to develop a hotel and convention center that would accompany a new arena — if voters approve one next year — on a site west of the downtown post office.

Morgan said the city had hoped a private developer would be interested in financing a portion of the arena, but none were. So, the arena would be publicly financed, and the hotel and convention center would be public-private ventures.

The Scotts made a presentation to the city’s selection team on Thursday.

Scott Tarwater, senior vice president of development for John Q. Hammons Industries, said his company’s representatives were supposed to make their presentation Thursday afternoon as well, but thunderstorms prevented their flight from leaving St. Louis. They’ll likely reschedule for next week.

Neither Hammons nor the Scotts have divulged details about their proposals, and city officials have declined to release details about any of the five proposals they received in mid-February.

Twin brothers Will and Robert Scott of WRK LLC increasingly have become major real estate developers in the past half-dozen years, particularly in downtown Lincoln. They’ve bought and developed a number of properties downtown, including a Noodles & Company restaurant. They’re  working to develop an arts and humanities block in the Haymarket that is already home to several tenants, including the Bread & Cup restaurant.

They also have teamed up with Kansas City architectural firm Ellerbe Becket and International Facilities Group of Chicago. The Scotts could not be reached for comment Thursday.

Rick Kiolbasa, principal with Dial Realty of Omaha, said he was told a couple of weeks ago that his development team was not a finalist. Dial had partnered with Global Entertainment Corp., a Phoenix company that specializes in arenas in mid-size communities and operates the Central Hockey League.

Dial and Global had proposed developing a public arena with private entertainment and dining nearby.

“We aren’t involved in it at this point in time, although we’re not permanently out of it,” Kiolbasa said. “We’d be interested in pursuing the arena later.”

A Kansas real estate development company called Harpool Morgan Haney was also on the Dial/Global team. President Jim Harpool said Lincoln preferred a larger arena than Global thought the market could handle.

Global recommended a maximum of about 7,000 seats, but Lincoln officials are eyeing as many as 16,000, if the University of Nebraska uses the arena for basketball games. That difference of opinion over the right arena size, “might have had something to do with” his team’s rejection, Harpool said.

“Nobody likes to think of themselves as a secondary market, but that’s what most of us are in the Midwest,” he said.

Garfield Traub Development of Dallas, another development team with experience in the arena business, got the rejection call a couple of weeks ago.

“We were a little surprised,” said Greg Garfield, a principal with the company.

Garfield Traub proposed to manage development of a 15,000-seat arena, 400-room Sheraton Hotel, convention center and parking garage. The company has developed more than 40 hotels and has nearly $200 million worth of sports and entertainment venues under development.

“We do this all over the country every day,” Garfield said.

He said it appeared the two finalists offered more private financing, but he was dubious about how realistic those proposals may be.

“We’re very forthright about the amount of public support that’s needed to get these done,” he said. “We’re very confident that what we presented was realistic. Anybody proposing to build a comparably designed project is going to require a similar level of public support.”

Morgan said the city obviously is looking for the best deal for taxpayers’ buck.

“Clearly we were looking at the amount of equity they’ll bring,” he said.

The selection committee hopes to recommend a developer to Mayor Chris Beutler by month’s end. Once the mayor selects a firm, negotiations on a redevelopment agreement begin.

Reach Deena Winter at 473-2642 or dwinter@journalstar.com.


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Lincoln Business Owner wrote on April 4, 2008 4:14 am:
" Thank god for the Scott brothers. At least someone in Lincoln is taking the initiative to help spur growth. I hope Lincolnites wake up and realize that entertainment dollars are good for the city "

um wrote on April 4, 2008 5:33 am:
" Did I read this right? The finalists are: one company that just gave their presentation yesterday and another company that hasn't even presented anything yet? "

Vern wrote on April 4, 2008 8:33 am:
" As much as I believe a new arena is needed, I will NOT vote to increase my taxes to pay for one. If an arena was projected to be profitable, then a private company would have bid to build one. We don't need another Pershing that needs more public dollars every year. "

IR wrote on April 4, 2008 8:49 am:
" This shows exactely how important Lincoln is to Hammons and his team! If you are really dedicated, you arrive the evening before to make sure you can be there.
I hope that the city selects the local team, they at least know lincoln! "

Matt wrote on April 4, 2008 8:50 am:
" So it sounds like this is a go. Have the citizens of Lincoln voted on this yet, or is the city just going to build it anyway? Doesn't Lincoln already have a 16,000 seat arena? Stick with the Devaney Center.

I can understand the need for a hotel and convention center, but another arena built by public funds doesn't sound like a great idea right now given the current and near future economic climate. In a year from now less and less people are going to be spending $ on entertainment as the rising costs of gas, food, loans, heat, electricity - you know, basic needs in life - eat away at our disposable incomes.

I seriously doubt entertainment acts haven't been booking in Lincoln because of a lack of a new arena. I would suspect it is because they know they can draw a larger crowd for more money in Omaha and then move on to another state or region.

Face it folks, Omaha and Lincoln are the SAME MARKET! "

Haymarket wrote on April 4, 2008 8:51 am:
" I hope the committee makes the right decision here and goes with a Lincoln company that is working with a Lincoln architectural firm that will benefit Lincoln. Not that it is bad to be a national powerhouse - but the Scott brothers have made such a contribution to Lincoln that they deserve to be given this opportunity. If you're looking for the overall best option for Lincoln, you can't beat the Scott brothers. "

Mrs. Johnson wrote on April 4, 2008 8:52 am:
" I'd be litte cautious with giving such a project to a couple guys who've been in business for such a short time. "

kk wrote on April 4, 2008 9:37 am:
" It's funny how the companies that are being the most upfront and honest about area size and the need for public funding got the boot. The company that actually stated they would need public funding gets eliminated and now the two finalists say they cannot rely on private funding. The city is only listening to the people who tell them what they want to hear and not what they need to hear. Hammons has had Lincoln in it's pocket for years. If they want a city block demolished for them they get it. Reroute one-way traffic, no problem. I hope the Scott brothers get this one and they do it right but I'm not holding my breath for this to turn out well for anyone. "

Bob wrote on April 4, 2008 9:41 am:
" I sure hope the city selection team isn't 'managing to an answer' here. How scary is it when a majority of these proposals show no financial interest from the builders themselves. What do they know that we don't? If this is a profitable endeavor, how come they (or all of the other private 'big hitters') don't want in? We're not into building a large, publically financed Arena that going to lose money are we? Perhaps these builders know more about the probability of success having been down this road before with similar ventures. I quote "the arena would be publicly financed, and the hotel and convention center would be public-private ventures". Great, more taxes for Lincolnites....btw, where's the University at in all of this (pro/con)? "

Chris wrote on April 4, 2008 10:09 am:
" I hope the selection committee recognizes the effort WRK put into their recent office building (and all of their projects) with regard to the environment. The building stands to be certified LEED gold - an achievement few, if any, Lincoln projects have accomplished.

On a relative note, shouldn't Pershing be transformed into a more appealing downtown library or some other public venue? And what about the police station? What a hideous building.

These projects may seem expensive, but letting downtown deteriorate will be more costly in the long run.

Perhaps our leaders can come up with some creative solutions for fund raising. Personally, I like sales tax. At least I have some control over the things I buy.

The Lincoln Cares method of asking for $1 donations on our electric bill is okay although I think they should put the money towards clean energy over parks (or in addition to parks).

Maybe we could have the option to donate on our cable bills. Entertainment donation for entertainment center... "

Doug wrote on April 4, 2008 10:17 am:
" It's not like John Q. Hammons Industries are new to Lincoln people. Who do you think built and owns Embassy Suites in Lincoln? Hammons Industries are very good at what they do. Having said that IR; I don't thing they are good enough to predict thunderstorms. Mrs. Johnson, how many years, in your eyes, is enough? I would rather have a firm that can make a successful start of so many places in just SIX years. It proves they know what they are doing too. "

Taxpayer wrote on April 4, 2008 10:22 am:
" Just think how nice it would be if this was all built on the state fair grounds. Thus utilizing the Bob Devaney Center,ice rink,race track,etc. UNL could use the area west of the Haymarket. WIN WIN!!!! "

Max wrote on April 4, 2008 10:22 am:
" 16,000 Seats seems like it might be a little large. I hope the people in charge of this realize that even with a new arena major acts are still going to go to Omaha. I do believe that we need a new venue for the basketball team but I am not sure we need something quite that big. If they do decide to go through with this, they NEED to do something that makes the arena have an advantage over the Mid-America Center, cause if they don't this whole thing is a HUGE waste of money "

Mark wrote on April 4, 2008 11:01 am:
" Good grief, you cant fill the Bob, you expect to fill a new 15k arena? "

Dano wrote on April 4, 2008 11:11 am:
" I think Max summed it all up. If this is just another box, similar to one 50 miles down the road with twice the base population, we are at a high risk to lose. It better be well thought/planned. "

as wrote on April 4, 2008 11:43 am:
" The Mid America Center & Qwest & now 1 here - hope everyone is ready to consistently support this financially since it will be empty as much as Pershing is. & the location - UGH! Once again the council is concentrating on their own bank accounts & what a select few want. Can't wait to see the traffic flow out of the new arena. That alone will keep people from coming down.
& 16,000 if UNL moves games. Can you say bye-bye Devaney? "

Unreal wrote on April 4, 2008 12:25 pm:
" Yeah right, the Scott brothers are spuring growth in
the own pockets. You noticed no one wants to finance the
thing. What does that tell you???? The citizens are getting run over by the biggest freight train they'll ever see!! And non have the guts to stand up and say,
enough taxes already!! The citizens don't get to vote,
didn't you read the sign, "SHUT UP AND PAY". You can bet
if developers thought this was a good financial paying
deal, they would finance it. People aren't just going to
drive to Lincoln and pay exhorbant prices like Lincoln
charges everywhere for a one time thing at the arena or
convention center. They're going to Omaha where there is
decent shopping, and the casions that are getting more
and more packed and are building even bigger gambling
space. When the Lied center isn't even filled for
events, wouldn't that tell you something?! The downtown
has already gone down the drain, whats there to come to
Lincoln for?? NOTHING!! Any more tax and I'm outta here!
Two neighbors have their houses for sale now because
they say they can't afford this town any more, and
haven't even been able to sell them. Several others
have their houses for sale and even reduced their prices!
This damn bunch isn't going to be happy until they
destroy the rest of the town!! "

Why? wrote on April 4, 2008 12:37 pm:
" Why does it take soooooooo long to get anything done in Lincoln? "

Yup wrote on April 4, 2008 12:56 pm:
" Devaney's going to be bulldozed. Along with the ice hockey building. UNL don't want any old buildings on their pretty new piece of land that they confiscated from the citizens of Nebraska. "

THE OTHER JR wrote on April 4, 2008 1:54 pm:
" Hey, folks, save your breath and your comments. This project will never happen. It's nothing but a big snowjob by a select group wanting to line their already deep pockets...the voters of Lincoln are smart enough to see it for what it is and will not approve it. "

Gr8fulDude wrote on April 4, 2008 2:20 pm:
" Hammons has been behind the Hotel/Convention Center for a long time, remember the Teriyaki Grill fiasco? When the city tried to take away property from business owners on 16th & P? But as usual he wants the city to put up something in return. He'll build the hotel as long as the city builds the Arena & convention center next door.
This is how the guy operates and always has been, remember when he wanted the city to make P St a 2-way street in front of his Embassy Suites? Helikes going to small college towns like ours where he can be a big fish in a small pond and having all the city officials dance for him. Tell him to take a hike, Lincoln. If he wants an arena here let him pay for it himself, he's only worth $20 Billion "

WW wrote on April 4, 2008 3:26 pm:
" Sorry fellas' this is already in the works. What do you
think the new O bridge is for. Yeah, some more of their
lies that the Lincoln citizens swallowed! Sure they'll
reward Hammonds with all the citizens bank accounts. Thats the way Lincoln operates, they could care less
about anybody but themselves and their riches!!!!! You
know, all the lovely 48th & O and all that area to
Univ Place, guess who saw that thru & that benefits???? "

JJ wrote on April 4, 2008 4:54 pm:
" "Proper,Prior,Planning,Prevents,Poor,Performance"!! The six "P's"!!! You are never late for a presentation of this size, period. It would have been wise for Hammons Industries to have checked the weather forcast and flown in early,if that was necessary. Let us give a BIG "thumbs up" for Scott Brothers and the entire Lincon Traction Team!!! "

SURPRISE wrote on April 5, 2008 6:26 am:
" what john q has to submit? Didn't Seng already promise him the hotel in the HAYMARKET. This is just a go through the process make everyone think everything is on the up and up the give it to who has been waiting for it since 6 years ago "