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Letters, 2/3: Immigrants get few benefits

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Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 - 12:25:36 am CST

It is at first amusing but ultimately depressing to read opinions such as the one by Dimitrij Krynsky stating his strong stance against benefits for illegal immigrants.

Krynsky reveals a great many personal fears, misconceptions and outright distortions about illegal immigrants, while shirking any responsibility for offering factual evidence on precisely what “benefits” are being depleted by illegal immigrants. I read his column twice and certainly didn’t get what benefits he was referring to, nor the amount being stolen.

I have had some exposure to various community outreach programs bringing me into contact with immigrants, some of whom were no doubt here without documentation. What I witnessed was a subclass of people working incredibly long hours for low pay, and for the most part hiding out on society’s fringes for fear of being discovered and deported.

Most of these people wouldn’t even know how to seek out our benefits, and in any case, wouldn’t, for fear of retribution from a system that despises them. The idea of these people gobbling up our “benefits” is absurd.

This issue is a complicated one, and people claiming to perceive the truth in such a clear ideological clarity are missing the facts, or are simply delusional.

John E. Fritts, Lincoln

Obama will bring change

Many of my fellow Democrats believe Hillary Clinton is the heir to the Democratic throne and the White House because of her experience as first lady and as the junior senator from New York. I could not disagree more.

The slash-and-burn tactics the Clintons use to get elected shows that their ambition has no limits.  The one candidate who can unite the Republican Party is Hillary Clinton. How many of my friends from the farm would even consider casting a vote for Hillary? My guess is not many. Hillary Clinton and most of the candidates in the Republican Party represent a ruling class that has got us into this mess.

Many people of my generation feel it is time for a change, and I believe that we may have the heir to John F. Kennedy’s legacy waiting to help lift us out of our funk. This is a man who speaks to all Americans regardless of race, creed, gender or age. He is a man who believes real change is brought by uniting us rather than dividing to conquer. That man is Barack Obama. 

As Nebraska Democrats, on Feb. 9 we have a historic chance to change the tone of our politics.  For the first time in my lifetime, it looks like our presidential vote may actually count here in Nebraska.

If you believe as I do that the status quo must be changed, attend your caucus on Feb. 9 and give your support to Barack Obama. I cannot promise change, but we need to give change a chance.     

Jack Bangert, Bellevue

End the death penalty

I want to urge state senators to pass LB1063, the bill that would abolish the death penalty in Nebraska.

All homicide is immoral and dehumanizing, no matter what the stated justification. Capital punishment and abortion are wrong and damaging to our society. Taking life is never the answer. Two wrongs don’t make a right. The numbers of both executions and abortions have decreased in the past decade. We are making progress. Let’s work together to reduce the frequency of both.

Our society is sometimes presented with difficult political choices, just as we as individuals face difficult choices in life. We try to resolve these dilemmas by living according to our fundamental values and principles. These values and principles come from our inner spirituality that we are created with. We inherently know that killing is wrong.

LB1063 offers us the political choice to do the right thing, which is to end killing by capital punishment. As singer-songwriter John Prine said, “Now Jesus don’t like killin’ no matter what the reasons for.” So please, let’s end the death penalty in Nebraska.

Robert G. Lange, Lincoln

Nelson is an enabler

Recently, Sen. Ben Nelson joined with other bullyable Democratic senators and all of the Senate Republicans and voted to support President Bush and Vice President Cheney in their efforts to grant immunity to telecom companies. By supporting immunity, Sen. Nelson went against the wishes of the entire Senate Democratic leadership, every Senate Democrat currently or formerly running for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination and 59 percent of Americans. These people want to spy on al-Qaida, too. They’re just not willing to do it in a way that undermines the very democracy that the spies, Congress and the president are supposed to be protecting.

I’m curious what Sen. Nelson knows that these distinguished members of the U.S. Senate and his constituents do not. Maybe you should ask if he has received any of the hundreds of millions of dollars that the companies are spending to get that immunity. The real aim of the Bush administration is, of course, to make sure the full story of the illegal wiretapping never comes out in court.

Luckily, my two U.S. senators, Maria Cantwell and Patty Murray, had the wisdom and the courage to stand up for their constituents against the onslaught on their privacy and the illegalities being pursued by the Bush/Cheney administration and their Republican enablers. Sadly, Sen. Nelson must be added to that “enabler list.”

Bob Carter, Spokane Valley, Wash.

No ‘glib’ presidents

I watched “This Week with George Stephanopoulos” last Sunday, and on the roundtable discussion, one of the esteemed panel members stated Hillary Clinton was eminently electable because she was so “glib” about everything in her answers and what a positive trait it was for her politically.

I looked up the meaning of “glib” in Merriam Webster’s Dictionary. It means “marked by ease and informality, showing little forethought or preparation (offhand) as in glib answers, lacking depth and substance (superficial) as in glib solutions to knotty problems, smooth, slippery, marked by ease and fluency in speaking and writing often to the point of being insincere or deceitful (glib politician).”

Perhaps this gentleman thought he was doing her a favor, and then again, perhaps not. I wondered if I would vote for a candidate who was “glib” and concluded I would not.

I am convinced many people in our country will vote for a glib candidate because they don’t care about their sincerity, deceitfulness or truthfulness and just want their candidate elected, regardless. I think this applies to both parties.

I have said, time after time, “This country will have the president it deserves.” I hope it is a president who is not “glib.”

Thomas F. Jones, Central City

Johnson makes decisions

I would like to encourage Sen. Joel Johnson of Kearney to consider relocating to Lincoln. We are underrepresented by leaders who are actually willing to make leadership decisions. Sen. Johnson’s bill (LB1139) would take money out of the state’s cash reserve fund to build a four-lane highway between Columbus and Fremont.

I feel that his assessment that the money would boost economic development is accurate. He was able to arrive at this conclusion without asking for a $1.2 million study first. The Lincoln City Council and other local leaders should take note.

Darlene Dvorak, Lincoln

Thanks for articles

I thank the Journal Star staff for the well-written and informative articles on the Near South neighborhood. It is encouraging to learn law enforcement, individuals and organizations are working to maintain and improve this neighborhood.

Another group that has worked on this area since about 1988 is the Capitol Environs Commission. Its stated purpose is “to foster pride in the beauty of the Capitol and its environs by studying and publicizing their essential aspects; to provide a fit setting for the Capitol by encouraging appropriate public improvements and private development, especially in the Capitol Environs District …”

Certainly the strategic location of the Near South neighborhood is central to the pride and well-being of the entire city.

Burke Casari, Lincoln


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Harry Hesnault wrote on February 3, 2008 2:46 am:
" In reply to John Fritts letter - what about the schools and medical system where illegals get a free pass! Where is your experience there? I pay outrageous property taxes to support a bloated school system and to city and county governmnet and exceesive mwedical bills because of your freeloading friends. "

Reply to John E Fritts wrote on February 3, 2008 5:05 am:
" Look no farther than your nearest hospital and their medical facilities. Look to the explosion in Medicaid expenses and yes you will find the names of the poor hard working illegal immigrants. As a financial officer in a hospital I know of what I speak. Individually they cause no harm and have no more impact than a single termite or cockroach. Collectively, our infrastructure is being overtaxed and over spent. There needs to be only a one percent change in any supply-demand equation to create a crisis. Americans as a whole are very caring in our gifting but do not force us to give through taxation for an influx of ignorant, poor, hard working illegal immigrants. The very small but vocal backlash is but a ripple in the water signaling an upcoming tidal wave. Most people will take a strong stance when it becomes financially necessary and we are fast approaching the tipping point for health care. "

3532 wrote on February 3, 2008 8:52 am:
" Maybe Nelson's vote indicates that he has a mind of his own and won't blindly march along with the Democrats' anti-anything Bush and anti-American positions. Do you really, honestly think that average, everyday Americans are having their phone calls listened in on?

As far as benefits for illegals...they are using our hospitals, schools, receiving welfare and Social Security. Many do not pay their share of taxes. Sure, a lot of them are probably hard working, but that does not change the fact that they broke our laws by coming here illegally. This country is far more generous to illegals than it should be. Just take a look at what the Mexican government does to illegals who cross their southern border.

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What part of illegal.... wrote on February 3, 2008 9:54 am:
" don't you people get? If I did something illegal, I would be put in jail. No one would care where I lived, the long hours I work and the low pay I get. Give it up already. Let them come over here legally and I would be more than happy to educate them on the benefits that they RIGHTFULLY QUALIFY FOR. "

aj wrote on February 3, 2008 10:12 am:
" Jack, I doubt many of your "friends from the farm" would consider voting for either Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton in the general election. It has little to do with their postions on the issues. It has to do with that "D" after their name. "

Dear John wrote on February 3, 2008 10:21 am:
" Just read the letter on illegals. I don't agree. As the schools have taught our younger folks how to use the system if you are single and pregeant among other things, you qualify for benefits. Do you actually believe the illegals don't talk to each other and splain to them how to get hooked up for freebies? Quit it. Look no further than lexington or scribner to see how it all comes together. Put another letter in telling us all your qualifications and proof that they are not getting citizens benefits. I can only hope that we get new elected officials who will do as the citizens want and toss them back over the fence. How many times does the word illegal have to be said? "

ET wrote on February 3, 2008 10:33 am:
" There is one place though, that I do believe is a place where illegal immigrants swallow up benefits - it's through living with another American citizen. This is a particular circumstance I have personal experience with as my ex-wife left and shacked up with an illegal. The court granted her alimony, and she was apparently handing over the checks to him, because he was endorsing them and cashing them! I realize that this doesn't happen a lot, most likely, but there are little ways for illegal immigrants to get a little something here, and a little something there. It doesn't hurt the taxpayers directly, but in the past couple of years, it's definitely been taking a bite out of my finances! "

Capital wrote on February 3, 2008 11:18 am:
" So that's how it works! Wow,I wish the Capital was closer to the North Bottoms. "

not so easy. wrote on February 3, 2008 11:36 am:
" I'm sorry - but the children of illegals (those not born here) and their families do gobble up benefits. The benefits of our schools and health system. It is not so easy - these are not like going out and getting food stamps or welfare checks. Every child who enters the school system - who is illegally in this country takes thousands of dollars in services - we the taxpayers are supporting. The solutions are not simple. Something must be done. Once this illegal immigration issue is finally resolved we can move on and help assist those families who are here legally. "

Comman Sence wrote on February 3, 2008 1:17 pm:
" The operative word in the immagrant benifit debate is "ILLEGAL". Many LEGAL Americans who commit an "ILLEGAL" act hide out in societies fringes, and fear apprehension and imprisonment. Why is this group of immagrants who committed an "ILLEGAL' act given special priviledge and notice. Any benifit given based on an "ILLEGAL" act is in itself "absurd" and those who believe that it should be done are "simply delusional". "

Help wrote on February 3, 2008 2:12 pm:
" You like the government to control you life?? You need
an operation and don't mind waiting for two years?? Thats
what Hillary will give you, she wants the government to
control your health. She wants to yank the troops out of
Iraq instead of striving to stabilize the area. If she
succeeds in draging the troops out without a VICTORY,
you will see Israel destroyed and they won't stop there.
Yeah, Hillary talks out of both sides of her mouth and
don't be fooled with the big smile and ha ha ha ha laugh!
Hillary & Bill want POWER and BIG MONEY. And ya know how
she and Bill are going to get all that money? Yep, up
goes your taxes day one. She wants to give every kid
$5,000.00 too. Obama is not experienced enough and is
vage in his explanations, not quit sure where he's going
with his answers! Choice, not good, McCain in in bed with
the pharmicals and I agree with many reporters that he
has been in D.C. so long he thinks no one knows anything
but him, yet he doesn't have economical knowledge. He's
stuck on the war because he lived it!! We live in a sad
treacherous time, but if you want a further weakened
gastoppo president who slyly will include Bill, then
I guess Hillary is your choice!!!!! "

rac wrote on February 3, 2008 3:01 pm:
" Mr. Bangert makes a good point-that Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Nominee is certain to energize the Republicans. This is exactly why I encourage all good Democrats to vote for her, as this is certain to bring all Republicans out to vote against her, insuring the White House stays with us. "

TS wrote on February 3, 2008 3:52 pm:
" John E. Fritts you are joking right? Low pay, unskilled, then they put their kids in OUR schools, but no they are not using any of OUR "benefits". Then you can't go to OUR schools without going to see the doctor and I'm sure they got great health insurance, shall I go on? What part of illegal don't you understand.
"

Hjalmer wrote on February 3, 2008 4:44 pm:
" It appears that Nebraska farmers are going to be faced with a difficult dilemma in the fall. Sen. John McCain appears on his way to the Republican nomination. Nebraskans will get to choose between a Democrat and a Republican that is opposed to ALL subsidies for ethanol production. When you consider today's $4+/ Bushel corn is dependent on the Federal government's continued support for ethanol production, if Nebraska farmers vote for McCain, they'll have to vote to destroy their own income. Maybe they'll just stay home on election day. "

Hey kettle..... wrote on February 3, 2008 5:44 pm:
" John Fritts states that he has had contact with some immigrants that were no doubt here without documentation. He also states that most immigrants wouldn't know how to seek out and obtain any kind of benefits. Apparently, his contact with a few illegal immigrants makes him an expert on the thoughts, actions, and intellect of the 11,000,000 plus other immigrants in this country illegaly, and believes they do not recieve any kind of benefits meant for U.S. citizens, yet offers no factual evidence in the same manner in which he criticized Mr. Krynsky. "

whatever wrote on February 3, 2008 6:28 pm:
" Mr. Fritts is a problem for the United States. His views are shared by many, but the fact is illegal immigrants do benefit. Their children whether born here or not benefit from a "free" public education. The average cost to educate a student in this state varies from district to district but it averages many thousands of dollars per child. By some estimates their are at least 45,000 illegal aliens in this state, if you assume many have children enrolled in our schools you are already talking figures of 100 to 200 million per year to educate them in Nebraska alone. Then there are the free and reduced lunches, the free or reduced medical care, food stamps, WIC, earned income tax credit and it goes on and on. The other attitude that Mr. Fritts exhibits is also common of his ilk and that is his belief that these folks are a "subclass". While they may be illegal and they may be poor they certainly aren't less than human as Mr. Fritts implies. I grew up poor, my folks could have qualified for a bunch of "benefits" but didn't bother to apply as we had the fortitude and willingness to work it out as a family without burdening society. I'm doing fine, I own multiple homes and have a decent income. I did it legally, I did it without burdening society. Is it too much to ask that of others Mr. Fritts? Is it too much to regard these folks as something more than "subclass". "

Jeff wrote on February 3, 2008 6:45 pm:
" Any uninsured person puts a stress on our current non-profit hospital system. The costs have to get shifted to insured patients. Making that sound like its caused solely by illegal immigrants is very misleading. But if you live in a small town (aka lexington) and have a small hospital, I'm sure it only takes a couple of sick patients to send your budget south. But like all of the illegal immigrant discussion, it gets blown way out of proportion. Let's control the border, crack down on employers, and in the mean time, we'll treat human beings with the dignity they deserve and the values we profess to have as a christian nation. "

I got wrote on February 3, 2008 7:21 pm:
" an idea. Make the low life contractors who hire these illegals pay for all the things they use. If they get caught hiring the illegals either close their business down or make them pay 4000 dollars a month in fines until the illegals become legal. They could also help pay Schools, medical, food. Heck pay illegals the miserable 5 dollars and hour plus these formetioned benefits. Make them pay until these people are legal citizens if it takes 40 years, On top of that make the companies hiring them pay for them to learn english. Hell, take them into their homes and teach them english with the rule that the illegals can't leave the company owners home until they have it down. The illegals wouldn't come if the low life didn't hire them. "

Hello John wrote on February 3, 2008 10:36 pm:
" Please let us all know when you will begin to pay the portion of taxes for all of us to allow the the "Illegal" immigrants to suck off the system. I am around it every day and it makes me sick that you feel that they do not create a burden on those of us who follow the rules.
Please take some time to study how much they really cost us "True Americans"! "

Zoomie wrote on February 3, 2008 10:44 pm:
" Its sad how the ignorant (such as the ones writing here) seem to enjoy their ignorance (or is it their blind hatred). Two (count'em - 2) separate studies in two separate states BOTH found their states RECEIVED more tax revenue from illegals than the state paid to illegals in benefits of any sort. One of those studies was in red-Republican Texas; the 2nd in California under a Republican governor. So at this point, the only factual evidence is we gain from illegals rather than lose money. And are you people seriously arguing that you prefer children suffer and even die, than gain access to medical care, only because their parents are here illegally?!?! Is this some Biblical thing, to punish the children for the sins of the parents? And how about when those illegals no longer obtain free immunizations, increasing sickness among American children (I'm not aware of any virus' who care if someone is an illegal immigrant or an American citizen). Reply, you expose your hatred when you compare human beings to termites and cockroaches. Final point - the US law against illegal immigration is NOT under criminal law, its under civil law (same place you find torts and lawsuits, but NOT where you find "criminals" or people who go to prison)! Please stop showing the world how ignorant Nebraskans are, please!!! "

Scott wrote on February 4, 2008 12:03 am:
" Just make it easier to come her legally. Then all you people flinging the pejorative "illegals" around won't have much to complain about, will you? Maybe we should crack down on illegal jaywalking. Or stealing office supplies. Honestly, what does the method of getting to this country matter? Legal/illegal. It doesn't make a huge difference. You're all getting too wrapped up in this arbitrary legal argument that isn't that important to begin with. With that, thank you, Mr. Fritts for a well reasoned, lucid letter to the Journal. I just wish that there were more people that can cut to the quick and see that the Rush Limbaughs of the world, shrilling "illegals" are full of crap. "

Nina wrote on February 4, 2008 8:40 am:
" Why would farmers not vote for Democrats? Democrat candidates are the closest thing we have to "populist" in today's lineup. Families struggling to keep the family farm are often at the lower end of middle income, even with jobs in town, because our government has decided farmers should get big (incorporate) or get out. The detrimental aspects of this decision are beginning to show at the grocery store even now. Family farmers are likely to be Democrats, while farming corporations are likely to be Republicans, because they are big business. So don't include all of us in your assumption. Family farmers are as populist and broad-minded as any group that makes up our state's population. "

Not illegal wrote on February 4, 2008 10:50 am:
" The Fair Tax Act makes moot illegals draining the system. The sooner it passes, the better. "

Kristine wrote on February 4, 2008 10:51 am:
" Often when this topic of 'illegals' comes up, there is defensiveness about this being a racist issue. What bothers me most about the nasty attitude towards immigrants, is that you look at pretty much everybody that doesn't look Anglo, and you judge them as an illegal alien, and they don't have a fair chance for even a polite nod. That's really embarrassing. It's that you think you KNOW who they are and where they are and what they do. I don't understand how so many people think they know everything and are so angry and rigid about it. "

MarkyMark wrote on February 4, 2008 11:40 am:
" Typical Blog thought here. It seems to be more important to Republicans to have a Republican president that it is to have a good President...go figure. "

Hey righteous wrote on February 4, 2008 12:14 pm:
" Well Scott, part of my problem with people coming into this country undocumented and illegally has something to do with the war on terror our nation is so deeply involved in. So it does matter what method is used in getting into this country as there are many factions of people in this world that would love to see the U.S. crumble and will try to inflict any kind of harm from within. And Zoomie, if you think Nebraskans are the only ones that shun illegal immigration, get out from under that rock. "

Hey Scott.. wrote on February 4, 2008 1:04 pm:
" I've been ticketed for jaywalking and I know someone that was fired from their job for stealing office supplies, and do you know why? It's ILLEGAL. I was unaware I could decide which laws I feel are frivolous and can just ignore and which laws I feel are the more rational and serious ones and should be obeyed. Thanks for opening my eyes. "

reality check wrote on February 4, 2008 1:05 pm:
" Some cold hard facts about the "illegals": 1) they do pay property tax - any landlord will tell you that the property taxes are included in the rent. 2) the reason they need the free clinics and hospital care is because their greedy employers don't want to offer up health insurance - just keep paying them minimum wage. This isn't an immigrant issue - this is an economic issue. We have a failed health system. 3) "illegals" pay medicare and social security taxes - many never collect. 4) the vast majority of empirical studies indicate that illegal immigrants have a net positive effect on the economy. So know what you are talking about before parroting the baseless rhetoric of Rush, Bill-o, and the like. "

Douglas Novak, Crete wrote on February 4, 2008 2:25 pm:
" I can hardly believe the bloggers who choose to ignore the cost of illegal aliens. Apparently they enjoy paying the ridiculous proeprty taxes in this state. No one has yet addressed the overload of the court systems and law enforcement. Ignoring reality does not make it less real and does not change the liability. "

SB wrote on February 4, 2008 5:47 pm:
" Obviously nobody REALLY cares about the ‘illegal immigrants draining this wonderful society of all its economic resources’ – otherwise places like Walmart and Swift Co., or even the local residential contractor wouldn’t be doing any business. Because if Americans really did care about the issue they would be looking at these companies with an objective eye and choosing not to do business with them, but rather choosing to do business with local farmer coops who can provide documented background checks, would gladly pay a premium for produce they know didn’t support illegal immigration, choosing not to live a materialistic and wasteful life of cheap and dangerous products from china, wouldn’t pick the low bid on their house (knowing the work will probably be done by illegal immigrants), and of course would support a full tax rebate to all adults without children since your children are a drain on their income? "

Scott wrote on February 5, 2008 12:19 am:
" Well, I may be righteous, but I'm not wrong. None of the September 11th hijackers were "illegal" aliens. Three (of ninteen) had expired visas, but expired visas happen with some regular occurrence. An expired visa, while illegal, did not cause terrorist attacks. I challenge you to point out how illegal immigration causes terrorism. I bet dimes to donuts you're not going to find a causal link. Switch to decaf, stop listening to right-wing radio, and read some factual news about immigration. It's an eye-opening experience. "

Donal H. Ziegenbein wrote on February 6, 2008 9:32 am:
" Mr. Fritts about Mr. Krynsky. Mr. Fritts, what part of "illegal" don't you understand? They love our country so much that they were telling us what to do with it even before they left home. There are many ways by which they could come here legally. Many of these ways require better transportation than the back of a semi, decent living wages, and at least three different investigations, two of the business doing the hiring and at least one of the person. Yet the people here illegally chose not to avail themselves of these programs. One wonders why. "

Dave wrote on February 8, 2008 6:32 am:
" Before The Hart-Celler Act of 1965 (Thank you Senator Kennedy)and the 1986 Amnesty Act ( Thank you Senator Kennedy) most Americans wanted population control in the US.Now we allow in around 2,000,000 legal immigrants a year plus their extended families,(Mother,Father,Sister ,Brother and their children.)That adds millions more.Then you have the 12-20 million illegal Aliens that Congress wants to give Amnesty to.If that's granted,then you have their extended families,which will add millions more.Then you have the 500,000 that still cross our southern border illegally each year.The US current population is 301,000,000,not to long ago we exported our surplus food,now we import half,In the near future 36 states will have a water shortage,Some studies show the US population at 450,000,000 by the year 2050.Has anyone ask their Congressman and Senators what quality of life our Children and Grand Children will have? Social Security,in 1996 the Social Security Administration signed an agreement with Mexico that will give Social Security payments to some of the 12-20 million illegal aliens once they are granted amnesty, total cost over 50 billion dollars a year.Add the 45 billion dollars each year that the American tax payer donates for illegal aliens free medical care,food stamps,WIC,rent assistance,free school lunches,and translators at schools for their children and we have a ticking time bomb.Amnesty for 12-20 million illegal aliens and endless immigration is not the answer.I encourage everyone to write their Congressman and Senators and ask them what the total cost to the American tax payer will be if they grant amnesty to those 12-20 million illegal aliens,after all you and I and our children will foot the bill for their decision "

Howard Robard Hughes IIV wrote on May 14, 2008 8:06 am:
" illegal immigrants are a slap in the face to taxe payers and legal immigrants but this is just talk.Try living in a place with no law and gang members with No ID ,that is where you live when you have no country and after a few gun flashes and rape you won`t want to live there any more.Mexico has endless murder`s of top cops so try living there and see if you like it!. "