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BY JoANNE YOUNG / Lincoln Journal Star

Sunday, Jan 27, 2008 - 12:29:02 am CST

The Rev. Everett Sileven has long ago left the state.

His nonapproved school, operated in the late 1970s and early 1980s by Faith Baptist Church in Louisville, has long since closed and the church eventually was sold.

But Lincoln Sen. DiAnna Schimek hasn’t forgotten the turmoil caused when Sileven defied the state and refused to close his school, which did not have certified teachers. Sileven, the state and Cass County clashed for six years over the school, which was padlocked a couple of times, and Sileven was jailed.

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Sen. DiAnna Schimek of Lincoln

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Student exemptions

The 10 Nebraska counties with the greatest number of students exempted for home and church schools in 2006-07:

Douglas - 1,262

Lancaster - 904

Sarpy - 585

Cass - 183

Lincoln - 157

Washington - 141

Platte - 125

Seward - 123

Scotts Bluff - 114

Buffalo - 114

It was a firestorm clash of church and state, and Schimek has been reluctant to open — even a crack — the door that closed when the Legislature passed a law that allowed exemptions for home and church schools.

“It tore the state apart,” Schimek said. “It was extremely difficult in the Legislature. There was such a difference of opinion on whether home schools should be allowed or not.”

Still, the idea for a bill that would require those exempt schools to show their students’ academic progress simmered on the back burner of Schimek’s agenda.

Now, in her last year as a state senator, she’s ready to move it to the front, even with the threat that it might boil over.

“How do we know what’s happening in home schools?” she asked.

Nebraska’s constitution says the state must provide education to all children ages 5 to 21.

“To me, that says we have some responsibility to know children are being educated,” Schimek said.

The law crafted by the Legislature 25 years ago says the state Department of Education would have oversight of exempt schools, and senators expected it.

As it turns out, even if department officials are allowed to visit a school to determine if kids are learning, an attorney general’s opinion says it can’t do anything about it if they’re not, said Russ Inbody, state Education Department’s administrator of school finance and organizational services.

Nearly 3,000 Nebraska families opt to educate their children outside of approved schools.

Students who attend unapproved schools because of religious reasons, or because their parents want to direct their children’s education without interference, numbered 5,596 last school year. Ninety-one percent are in single-family schools and the remainder in multi-family schools.

Schimek has no statistics on how many of these kids may not be getting a good education. She’s had questions and heard concerns from educators and others across the state, but no one asked her to bring the bill (LB1141) forward.

“This is my doing because it’s been my concern,” she said.

She patterned the bill after a similar law in Iowa, but adapted it to fit Nebraska’s system.

The bill says children in all schools that are not accredited or approved by the state — those that are exempted — must be evaluated annually using a nationally recognized standardized test or another assessment developed or approved by the state commissioner of education.

Instead of the annual test, a parent could offer all of these: a book of lesson plans or other written records of subjects and activities; a portfolio of the child’s work including a curriculum outline, copies of homework or class work and projects; other tests taken by the student. The information would be reviewed and reported to the state by a certified educator.

Children who are at least 6 and attending a home school for the first time must be evaluated to obtain academic baseline information.

The annual assessment would be conducted by the commissioner or a designee. The parent of the student would have to reimburse the department for the test.

If the student has failed to make adequate progress, he or she would have to enroll in and attend an accredited school at the beginning of the next school year.

Before introducing the bill, Schimek said she sat down with some home-schooling parents whose names were given to her by Sen. Phil Erdman of Bayard.

“My impression was there was nothing in the bill they might want to accept,” she said. “Home schoolers do not want the state requiring any more of them than we’re currently doing.”

She knows some parents are absolutely devoted to their children and are doing a great job providing a good curriculum and enrichment.

“Some are exceptional. There’s no question about it,” she said.

She still wants — at the very least — a discussion.

“I’m not trying to close home schools,” she said. “I want a way to assure policymakers children are being properly educated.”

Deb Badeer, with the Nebraska Christian Home Educators Association, tried to think of something in the bill she could support. She couldn’t.

“I respect the senator,” she said of Schimek. “I like her as a person. But I cannot see any need for (the bill).”

Badeer, who is in her 22nd year of home schooling, said it’s her experience that these children do really well.

She especially takes exception to the idea that children who don’t show adequate achievement would be forced to go to a public school. What about public school students who don’t show adequate achievement, she asked. Should they be required to enroll in a home school?

Badeer said many home- school parents already have their kids take standardized achievement tests, sometimes within the family school and sometimes in a group.

If people have reported to Schimek they have seen students out in the community rather than at home learning or studying, it may be because home-schooled students have more flexibility than those at accredited schools.

“Home education is a lifestyle,” she said.

If children are truly not meeting requirements to learn, they are covered under the state’s truancy laws, she said.

Suzanne Gage, on the board of Heartland Homeschoolers, said her organization has about 200 members and reaches at least 400 families. They provide help and enrichment for families and children, including such activities as spelling bees and science fairs.

She met with Schimek recently to talk about the bill, and to emphasize that home-schooling parents are immensely committed in effort and time. Only occasionally is there some errant person not doing what he or she should be.

“I think she’s talking about a very, very small narrow population,” Gage said. “If there are parents neglecting their children, we’d like them to be found out. That’s just not the experience we’ve had.”

She and her husband have home schooled five sons.

“I embrace it. I love it. I’m passionate about it,” she said.

She said her curriculum is much richer than what might be reflected in a book of lesson plans. Home-school parents don’t teach to a test, or drill on how to take standardized tests, so she doesn’t know how they might do on annual standardized tests. Some kids — both in home and public schools — don’t test well, especially in high-pressure situations, she said.

An annual test would be a burden, she said.

Ron Zelt, who with his wife has home schooled four children — beginning in about 1991 — said his children have been tested for achievement with other home schoolers. Over the years they have taken different tests, such as the Iowa Test of Basic Skills or the Stanford Achievement Test.

Even so, he said, “I think a lot of folks would not enjoy the state increasing requirements on home schooling.”

Inbody said it’s true that the Education Department has no solid evidence home-schooled students are doing well.

“But in my personal opinion, the majority are doing a good job,” he said. “They’re trying to do the right thing.”

Reach JoAnne Young at 473-7228 or jyoung@journalstar.com.


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Doc wrote on January 27, 2008 4:54 am:
" Okay Class. Di Schimek watches for 25 years this overwhelmingly large problem, in her mind, of parents being responsible for the education of their children and only as a swan song, she decides to offer a "let's control 'em bill" when she doesn't have to run for re-election. Fortunately, when we pulled our children out of the public school, she was still quiet about her crusade. Did we do a perfect job with our children's education? Of course not. But one ended up graduating from the U of Nebraska on the Dean's List and the other two graduated with an associates degree with good grades from a Bible college. But more than an education, book learning, from home, they got some definite benefits. Through the home school education association, they met some great Christian young people that 15 years later are still ones that they are close to. They were in all kinds of activities with them including, sports, music, drama, proms and graduations. They learned to relate to adults much sooner than children of their ages. They were not under as much peer pressure as others. They would all home school their own children. But, the greatest benefit of all, they became each others best friends. Even though they now live in three different communities, they are on the phone almost daily with one another. No, Di. Let it go. Retire without this becoming law and leaving this as your fingerprints for the state. "

Clark wrote on January 27, 2008 7:30 am:
" Notice no research data comparing home school students to public school students. The data is out there, but the NSEA (aka Teacher's Union) doesn't like the results.

It should be noted that Sen. Schimek's husband is a lobbyist for the NSEA. "

Leave the home schoolers wrote on January 27, 2008 7:34 am:
" alone. I know many home-schoolers and they are doing a far better job of education their children than any public school in our area in Cass County. The last thing they need is the dictacameral forcing needless oversight down their throats. "

HPG wrote on January 27, 2008 7:35 am:
" Where is the NEA in all of this. One would think they would oppose this type of legislation as well. Do they really want it known that homeschooled children outperform children educated in the Liberal Church known as the public school system. You think the NEA would oppose it on the grounds of trying to prevent sheer embarrassment.
Senator Schimek needs to keep her nose out of peoples business. You have heard the lie before and you will hear it again, "I am from the government and I am here to help." "

It is not the State's Responsibility wrote on January 27, 2008 8:12 am:
" to educate children. It is the parents. Thus, the state should not test them. WASTEFUL SPENDING, SCHIMEK! "

WCG wrote on January 27, 2008 8:41 am:
" This bill is absolutely critical! I'm sure some home schoolers are doing well, but I've known kids who were 'home schooled' in theory only. These kids were not taught ANYTHING. They just watched TV all day (and not the educational channels, either). Frankly, their mothers were completely unqualified to teach, even if they hadn't been busy with other things. These kids will end up unemployed and unemployable. And even worse, they'll be completely unprepared for their duties as American citizens. Barely able to read, with absolutely no knowledge of history, of science, of the rest of the world,... how can this be anything but a complete disaster? Political cowards in the Unicameral abandoned this fight years ago because they were afraid of the 'controversy' (especially since religious nuts are firmly behind the home schooling movement). I'm very glad to see that Sen. DiAnna Schimek is finally trying to fix this problem. It is our responsibility to see that ALL Nebraska kids are educated, and right now, we are not doing that. "

seeing both sides wrote on January 27, 2008 8:48 am:
" Many homeschooled children enter public school during the high school years when it becomes more difficult for a parent to provide the range of education they desire. A vast majority are well prepared academically and once they adjust to the expectation of working in a group setting they do fine. BUT there are cases I know of here in Lincoln where little or no attempt at actual teaching/learning is happening. There is no system of checking into the reality of follow through with the plan a family says they are following. Some come into the high school and have done so little we start to assume a student has some major learning disability only to find it is lack of exposure to instruction. Some system of checking/holding accountable needs to happen but there is no point in setting up a system that can't be enforced, paid for or applied equitably. "

Teacher Mom wrote on January 27, 2008 8:50 am:
" Who would benefit from this regulation?

*Not home-educating parents, who would have to pay for baseline and annual tests.

*Not the population of home-schooled children, who would take tests under the burden of: "If I don't do well enough, I'll be pulled out of my school."

*Not home-educated children with learning disabilities, who may be forced into accredited schools unless state officials are satisfied with their parents' plans for remediation.

Might there be some home-schooled children with neglectful parents who will benefit from being placed in an accredited school? Perhaps, but not even Senator Schimek has been able to provide examples of such children.

Will public-schooled students be held to the same standards? Will they be tested annually at their parents' expense, and placed in other schools if they fail to progress? Such a requirement might benefit a much larger number of students in the state of Nebraska than LB1141. "

Public School Teacher wrote on January 27, 2008 8:51 am:
" I think that this bill is fair. These parents feel that they can do a better job teaching their children than a certified educator. Then they should have to be held to the same requirements as any other educator. My students have to be tested to show progress, and if I am not doing my job I could get fired. What is it going to hurt to make sure all children are receiving the same quality of education? Nothing! "

Okie wrote on January 27, 2008 9:00 am:
" This story certainly brings back memories of the late 70's and early 80's. Schimek is correct in saying that this issue tore the state apart. For once we had an issue that did not involve football or illegal immigrants! "

SAD wrote on January 27, 2008 9:02 am:
"
You must be kidding! There isn’t a program in placr for the Dept of Education to assure; measure; and monitor performance of children home schooled? That is neglecting the value of education and children. Maybe Dr. Christensen has been delinquent in due diligence. What have Raikes and the Education Committee been doing? Who is looking out for the children? Thank you DiAnna! "

Robin wrote on January 27, 2008 9:17 am:
" Would it be good to make sure all children were learning the basics? Yes! Wasn't that the goal with "No Child Left Behind"? Yes! Did the government mess that up more than anyone could imagine? YES! Lets not give the government a chance to mess up more children's education, because that is exactly what will happen. "

stignob wrote on January 27, 2008 9:40 am:
" What a waste of time, effort and money by Ms. Schimek. Term limits could not come fast enough for this lady. She needs to worry about why our kids are the dumbest in the world and how public education curriculum can compete with countries like Japan. "

WWTOD wrote on January 27, 2008 10:01 am:
" Wow... you can sure tell which State Senators have been in office too long and begin to think they're God. Schimek herself says she has no evidence or reason to believe this bill is needed, but since she is a state senator, she'll just invite herself and the state into your living room.

The truth of this bill lies in this statement: "She's had questions and heard concerns from educators and others across the state.." Translation: "The Department of Ecuation and the teachers union (which are basically the same thing in Nebraska) wants me to do this, I owe them and they are calling in their favors before I'm term-limited out." Plain and simple.

As for the situation in Louisville, what a bunch of tripe. The senator is so worried about how that incident "ripped the state apart," yet she's introducing a bill that would encourage the same behavior by the state that caused that situation. Please.

This is just another step along the way of taking control from parents regarding their children's education. The union hated the Class I's because they produced high achievers, making others look bad, and they hate homeschoolers for the same reason.

Just give your kids to the government to raise, folks... and everything will be just fine.

"

Dangerous Bill For Parental Freedom wrote on January 27, 2008 10:07 am:
" This is just another bill that erodes the freedom of parents to decide what's in the best interests of their children. Schimek would have us believe that the state is better equipped to make decisions for our children. With leaders like Schimek, where will the state stop?

What Schimek and other government officials do not want to admit is that those in the homeschooling sector actually do better than their public school counterparts. If they were to admit this, then it would be extremely difficult to push for more money spent in public education and teacher salaries. Because these homeschooling and private schools have proven that they can do a better job than the state for a fraction of the cost. These homeschooling families and private schools are threatening the spend, spend, and spend more practices of public schools so Schimek and her buddies need to get rid of them. "

Terry wrote on January 27, 2008 10:30 am:
" Call this what it is. Another attempt by the state to control how and what our children are taught, and see to it that they recieve proper state indoctrination not quality educaton. Thanks to term limits, we get to see the true, hard core Socialists who have infiltrated the Legislature for so long make their last desperate gasps before they're shown the door. Bad part is, the worst of the worst is in charge of the Education Committee. "

Mom of 6 wrote on January 27, 2008 10:32 am:
" I said this last week on a comment board and I will repeat it again. I work in a situation where I come in contact with home school families on a daily basis. While I have seen a few families who are doing a good job, I am seeing more families whose children DO NOT even begin to read at the appropriate level and their social skills are non-existent from not having appropriate interactions. I am familiar with the home school groups and I think it is wonderful that they offer support but not everyone is participating. As a taxpayer, I have to wonder if some of these families that I see are raising children who will need to be supported by the state (i.e welfare) because they do not have the proper training to function in the real world. If the home school parents interviewed believe they are doing an excellent job and that they already put tremendous effort into educating children then they shouldn't be worried about testing or providing materials to show that there children are meeting the standards that other children are required to meet. "

aj wrote on January 27, 2008 10:40 am:
" So what about the "7th grade" kid who came to my classroom last year after being "educated" at home. She was a nice young lady who couldn't spell her own name!

We (the state) have an obligation to provide an education to all our citizens. If parents choose an alternative to public school fine, but we (the state) need to make sure they are getting that education. In my opinion any responsible homeschool parent would have no problem meeting the requirements of this bill and should support it. After all - they say they are providing a better education, all the bill asks is that they prove it. "

great wrote on January 27, 2008 10:48 am:
" I hope this passes. It will make parents more accountable for their children. There are a lot of parent that do a great job but there are too many that don't do a thing with their children and then they are so behind. Any good parent that home schools should be in favor of this o that their children can prove their schooling when looking for a college or job. "

Max A. wrote on January 27, 2008 11:01 am:
" This law is long overdue. My hat's off to the Sentator. What are the parents of home-schooled youth afraid of? They receive free educational materials from their local schools. These parents who are teaching their children at home, must be held as accountable as the public and private schools are, under No Child Left Behind. Come on parents, tell us what you are afraid of. Why shouldn't your homeschooled children be tested. If your teaching methods and instructional materials are so great, then you should have no problem with the State testing your children. It's called accountability. "

A Parent wrote on January 27, 2008 11:38 am:
" Senator Schimek has a bee in her bonnet about homeschooling that just won't rest. Now, during her swan song as a senator, she's bound to stir up dissension once more - why? Because she can! At least, for only a few more months! One of our children had learned at home for two years before we moved to Lincoln. We looked at the possibility of enrolling our teen in one of the focus high schools. How surprised we were when the English teacher turned her nose up at the fact that our teen had a great understanding of grammar! Neither were we impressed at the movie about the powers of ten that was shown during a SENIOR high math class. One other thing I would like to note - if the calibre of public education is demonstrated in the sentence structure of those who regularly post on these websites, I'll take homeschooling any day! "

JPF wrote on January 27, 2008 12:38 pm:
" Its long overdue. Problem is, when you discover that only half of these kids know anything more than their favorite bible quotes, what are you going to do then? Thats going to be the REAL battle. Guess we'll find out if that law passed in the 80s was any good. "

Ummm wrote on January 27, 2008 1:21 pm:
" Heaven help! What makes these public schools that are
ruled with the "iron fist" think they are so perfect???
My public school life was pure hell. I couldn't even get
into college in Nebraska. Thankfully moving out and
getting what I should have gotten in Nebr. I finally got
on the road to a college education. I have seen many
many home schooled children out rank public schooled
children. This is a really good example why these children
grow up and those that don't leave the state, are as rude
and know-it-alls' as you'll ever find across the U.S.
Look what Nebr. has in their government, its my way or
the highway. What an example!!! "

Andy Childress wrote on January 27, 2008 2:48 pm:
" Let me start by saying I have no problem with our public, private, or charter school systems in the State of Nebraska.
When I read terms used like: turmoil, tore the state apart, simmered on the back burner, and boil over this seems like a 'grudge' bill to me. Why would Sen. Schimek
drag what happened 25 years ago into the present? I would think that Sen. Schimek,in her last year, and the State of Nebraska have more pressing issues to address then vague accusations against home-schoolers.
We have home-schooled our children for the past eight years. No where in this article dose it state that a home-schooling parent must file a curriculum out-line and hours per day of schooling with the Nebraska Department Education yearly.
It also states in the article that "the parent of the student would have to reimburse the Department for the test". Why should I pay for a test that is free to public school children? I pay taxes too.
If Sen. Schimek plans on her bill being patterned after what Iowa does will this include the funding that the State of Iowa through the Department of Education gives back to each home-schooled family?
Has Sen. Schimek ever seen a home-schooling setting? I would guess not if she needed to ask another Senator for names of families who home-school.
Let's make sure we have all our "facts" straight before we attack an educational freedom granted to us over 25 years ago in Nebraska.

"

School Teacher wrote on January 27, 2008 5:13 pm:
" "She especially takes exception to the idea that children who don’t show adequate achievement would be forced to go to a public school. What about public school students who don’t show adequate achievement, she asked. Should they be required to enroll in a home school?"
No Child Left Behind does hold teachers and public schools accountable for children who do not show academic growth. Why should homeschooled students be treated any different? If you are teaching your child the way you say you are there should be no problem. The reality is that a large portion of homeschooled children are not given an adequate education. They learn only what their parents deem important, and often only to the highest education level of their parents. As a teacher I have seen numerous times where a homeschooled child entered public school far behind the other children in their grade. Educators are to be held accountable, and if these parents feel they can educate their child better than a certified teacher then they should be treated the same. "

Disgusted! wrote on January 27, 2008 5:31 pm:
" I wonder what Schimek means when she says homeschools are unapproved? I homeschooled my daughter for the last two years and had to submit curriculum and hours, after the state reviewed what I submitted, they APPROVED it! Study after study after study shows that homeschool children score much higher than public school kids. I guess she doesn't want to see homeschooled kids EXCEL while the public school kids flounder along learning the state-mandated twisted facts and brainwashing! "

whatever wrote on January 27, 2008 6:42 pm:
" What's the "real agenda" here? If the likes of Schimek and Raikes keep pushing the buttons you can be sure there will be a lot of pushing back. Make no mistake about it the dissolution of the Class I schools was just one step in the "state" trying to exert absolute control over thought and process. Now we are after the home schoolers. Frankly the real problem is in the public schools systems of many communities and people like Schimek and the Nebraska Education Association know it. How many of the public school children are getting a good education? Parochial school parents wake up, it won't be too many years before the state is after you. "

para wrote on January 27, 2008 6:45 pm:
" You want a real joke it is the school system. I work in a high school, and they do give standards. The only thing is that the students keep taking the standard untill they pass it. I hope they have the standard memorized by the fifth time they take it. One math class just studies for a standard then takes that specific standard. If they do not pass it the first time they keep retaking untill they do. It is that way in all classes.
These students are not learning anything but how to memorize the correct answer to the standard. I am sorry high school learning is a joke anymore. There is very little out of class homework. Heven forbid if they have to take it home to do it for the next day. The teachers have given up on that because if they do assign homework nobody does it. So how would that look if all the students failed. You know that would not happen.
I have really considered home schooling my own children. "

C. Jones wrote on January 27, 2008 7:01 pm:
" As a former homeschooler and student of a private school and now as a current student at UNL, I have whitnessed first hand the differences in those who have attended public school as well as those who have attended private school or have been homeschooled. In the college classroom, many students who attended public schools have a difficult time reading aloud even in college. Also many speak with incorrect grammar. Homeschooling also better prepares students for college. By having more independent study opportunities and more one on one instruction, homeschoolers are better able to adapt to the level of studying required in college. Many public school students even desire to be homeschooled because they wish to be taken out of the hostile, dumbed down version of education received in public schools. More so now than ever the public school system is failing the people of the United States, especially with the fairly recent No Child Left Behind program, which causes teachers to no longer educate their students in important life skills and lessons, but instead to teach to a test, which proves nothing. By encouraging children to really learn, homeschoolers excell above those in public education. Instead of passing this bill, a new bill should be proposed to better support homeschooling, encouraging students to surpass their counterparts in the nation and to put the U.S. back on in education. By the way I am a freshmen at UNL working 20 hours a week while taking 17 credit hours; I have a 3.9 G.P.A. "

reality check wrote on January 27, 2008 7:45 pm:
" If parents are properly homeschooling their children, then a test should not be a problem. "

Who is really responsible? wrote on January 27, 2008 8:09 pm:
" That is the real question being asked here. Is it the Governments responsibility to raise children or the parents? Does the Government know what is really best for every child, more so than the parent? Are we a Democracy or a Socialist society?
Americans are loosing more and more of the freedoms that were once given.
This bill isn't about testing, it is about CONTROL. Once the Government is given CONTROL, it has the authority to start controlling WHAT is taught. Do not be fooled into thinking that this bill for the betterment of the children, it is all about CONTROL. "

Man don't wrote on January 27, 2008 8:22 pm:
" test any of the home schooled. Please forbid it as it may show that they are better schooled than the city of lincoln fine schools put out. What a shame if the 40,000 dollar a year teachers were shown up by a pregeant mother teaching her kids. I happen to know some home schooled kids and they are so much better behaved kids than the kids in lincoln schools and probably other schools inside the city or state. They not only learn from required programs furnished by the state where i live, but , they learn music, and behavior on top of it. Even once in awhile get a foreign language. Just watch out if they do any comparisons. I don't think they will release the results as it will probably make the paid teachers look bad. Do you think the teachers union would ever stand for something like that? "

Mark wrote on January 27, 2008 8:29 pm:
" Home-schooled kids are usually better academically than their peers, but they are inept socially. "

It took her 25 years? wrote on January 27, 2008 8:31 pm:
" If she really thought that there was a problem, why did it take her 25 years to bring it forward. Has she been afraid to really stand up for children all this time? Is this the kind of person we elect to office? Is this the kind of person we want in charge of such a system? "

GramMar wrote on January 27, 2008 9:06 pm:
" As a former educator and GED examiner, I have seen many home schooled young people do great on the GED. They took this in order to enroll in post-secondary classes. However, I also saw those who failed miserably. I would think that parents who home-school their children would be delighted to have them take a standardized test to prove that they do as well as those enrolled in public/parochial schools. Seems the opposition may indicate concern that their children may not do well on standardized tests. "

Dana wrote on January 27, 2008 9:24 pm:
" In a free society, the state should not have the power to oversee the raising of a child. The fourth amendment states specifically that I have the right to be secure in my person, house, paper, and effects. In order for the state to violate this right, it needs to prove probable cause.

This same principle should extend naturally to the family's right to direct the education of the child. The state should need probable cause to enter a home for an inspection or to summon a child for testing. Registering a homeschool is not probable cause simply because someone knows someone who isn't responsible. Or are we going to condemn the entire institution of public education because I could tell you stories of what goes on in classrooms? "

teacher too wrote on January 27, 2008 9:52 pm:
" Having taught in both public and private schools and having a sibling who homeschools, I've seen both sides of this issue. The responsibility of a child's education lies in the hands of the parent first and foremost. Utilizing the opportunities to make sure your child gets the best education offered should be high on the priority list for all parents. Not all parents homeschool for religious reasons, most do but not all. Having taught for almost 25 years I can honestly say that there is NO perfect educational setting. As we teachers have learned not every child learns in the same manner, so we don't teach them all in the same manner. I have had students who didn't really need me or any other teacher to help them become successful students. They were motivated, curious and smart enough to learn without much guidance at all. And then there are other students who need help with almost all of their education just so they can pass the basic classes. We should all be concerned about education in Nebraska. There is no one correct way to educate children. And we should never assume that just because someone was homeschooled that he/she is ignorant and won't be able to hold down a job--nor should we assume that every home-schooled child is better than all public school students. There are strengths and weaknesses in each setting. Let the parents choose what they believe will work for their family---and then hold them accountable. I don't believe there is a parent that hopes their child fails at school. We all want our children to have better lives than we ourselves have and that should include education. "

CK wrote on January 27, 2008 9:59 pm:
" Strange after all this time Di Schimek decides to find
something to do! CONTROL, you bet, that is what Lincoln
and Nebraska are all about, CONTROL!!!! Having lived in
other state, I now feel like I've moved to a Socialist
country!!!! And its not pleasant!!!! "

Round em up and test em all wrote on January 27, 2008 10:02 pm:
" One test to rule them all! Test test test. That is all this nation's education system is becoming under NCLB.

As a teacher, I have had home schooled students enter my elementary classroom. Some have been remarkable (dedicated parents) and others have been so far behind (not-so-dedicated parents). Good and bad and in-between - just like the other kids (and their parents).

Just say no (to expanded testing)! (and over-use of parenthetical writing) "

Amy wrote on January 27, 2008 10:11 pm:
" It's amazing how many experts there are in the arena of education. I am always troubled to hear what a horrible education the students of Lincoln are getting. How parents are taking their children out of school to protect them and give them a higher quality education. I have friends who moved to Atlanta. They paid 20,000 in tuition for an elementary school that compared in test scores to Sheridan Elementary here in Lincoln. I attend a Bible based church three times a week, have daily family devotional, and believe I am the one responsible for my child's education. I also believe we are to be salt and light as Christians. So many parts of the public school system are working. What isn't working is the family environment of many children. Are some home school students successful? yes. Are some public school students successful? yes. Parents are the key ingredient in both.
If you play an active role in your child's education it makes a difference. If your doing the teaching and challenging them to their fullest potential or if your an extension of the classroom during home work or various activities. As far as regulations of home school, maybe a lesson should be learned from no child left behind and give a great deal of thought before creating a monster. And remember sometimes less is more. "

Mrs. T wrote on January 27, 2008 10:11 pm:
" As a special education teacher, I have been exposed to many homeschool drop outs who appear at my classroom door. I also have friends who were prepared exceptionally well through homeschooling (by their certified teacher mother). We have created high standards for public school students. Homeschoolers are very proud of themselves, but the proof is in the pudding. Test them. "

Another teacher wrote on January 27, 2008 10:14 pm:
" I also support this measure. Please do not condemn the public schools. They provide special education to all students, including those in private, religious, and homeschool situations. And do not claim that homeschool scores are higher, when there is no basis to that claim. Look at the 14 National Merit semifinalists this year alone at Lincoln East. This is a result of public education. "

Did we hear both sides? wrote on January 27, 2008 11:39 pm:
" I admit that it is frustrating to hear from public school teachers who have said that they have had homeschooled students in their classroom who are not prepared for that particular grade level. However, is this "one" student in how many years, or is this a common pattern? Do you ever get any public school students who move up a grade or come from another school and do not meet your grade level standards? Have you had homeschooled students in your classroom that were well prepared for the subjects that you were teaching? You may not, but at least present both sides.

How many public school teachers are really happy with all of the regulations that you have to follow? Do you really feel like you are able to teach what you would like to or is a great deal of your time spent "teaching to a test"? Is that really what you want to be doing, and are your students really "learning"?


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Matt Poulsen wrote on January 28, 2008 1:22 am:
" I have no problem with home schooling, however, if they are doing so much better than public schools then why not expose themselves to testing? Yes, many students do very well, but we don't have any test results to show just how well they're doing. Its not necessarily just a test to see how bad they're doing...it can also be a test to show how good they're doing. In principle, I think this is a fair bill. However, too much attention cannot be given to an individual child's score. There is a vast spectrum of ability and a child should not be yanked out of homeschooling just because he doesn't do well on a test...and I don't think this bill is proposing that. There should be some accountability though and the curriculum, more than the student's test scores, should be analyzed. I just don't understand why a standardized test is overly burdensome?! "

Becky wrote on January 28, 2008 2:00 am:
" I am currently teaching my high school son about the U.S. Constitution. When it was being written, the states were concerned that the government be kept to a minimum because the people were able to govern themselves. So it is with homeschoolers: Government oversight of us can safely be kept to a minimum, and the education of our children still will be carried out successfully. All homeschooling parents I know (and they are many) take their children's education seriously and are very diligent in teaching what a person needs to know to succeed in life. This bill is definitely unneeded. "

myself wrote on January 28, 2008 6:12 am:
" I Think testing is a great idea, i understand that the vast majority of home schoolers do a good job schooling their children. I do know some children that have been homs schooled, and they are very smart, and seem like they have had an excellent education, however, what about the home schoolers that are just plain lazy, they have good intentions, but end up schooling their children for a few weeks, then let it go and don't do anything the rest of the year. Testing would hold them accountable, and the children would get the education they need! "

Zoomie wrote on January 28, 2008 7:25 am:
" First, if the NE Constitution mandates the state ensure every kid gets an education, they're required to check into home-schoolers. Disagree? Change the Constitution!
Second, there is NO national evidence home-schoolers on average do better (or worse) than public schoolers, because most home-school supporters refuse to endorse such standardized testing (witness the comments here to simply testing the home-schoolers, not tampering with the schooling itself). Last, AZ mandated standardized testing between public and charter schools when they allowed charter schools a decade ago. Last year, they determined charter schools, on average, do WORSE than public schools! Milwaukee, forced to allow vouchers a decade or so ago, required kids who use vouchers to attend parochial schools take the same tests as public school kids. Ten yrs of comparison later, there is no discernable difference in the quality of education between public and parochial school kids in Milwaukee. There appear to be no other true apples-to-apples comparisons of public to private/charter/homeschool educated kids, so how do we know they do better (except the propaganda of the supporters)? Lets find out! "

Dalton wrote on January 28, 2008 8:12 am:
" These home school kids aren't getting the education needed, they are flying by and not doing their work. They aren't held accountable to the same standards and work as Public school students. Many of them have no personal skills, remember peer pressure is only bad when you fall into it!! You need to have those experiences or you will never know how to deal with them. Can't wait to see these kids in a boardroom someday, thinking they are so smart, when some street smart public school kid tears them APART!! GOOD JOB SCHIMEK! "

Nina wrote on January 28, 2008 8:24 am:
" Testing seems the responsible thing to do. There are some excellent home-schoolers, and some who don't have the organization or knowledge needed to home school. In that case, home schooling can be a hit-and-miss effort, to the detriment of the children. In general, I don't see an advantage to home school. On the contrary, it shelters the kids too much, leaving them poorly equipped to handle life. Extra-curricular activities make a well-rounded student, and I've never known a home schooled child to excel in music or sports in high school. They just don't have the experience others have gained over the years. In public and parochial schools both, there are niches for everyone, and finding other students whose values match theirs shouldn't be difficult. "

more to it wrote on January 28, 2008 8:28 am:
" The social aspect of school is very important - the homeschooled group certainly lacks the social skills needed to survive in this society - I have seen this thru neighbors and friends who home school. It is also so unfair to home school and then when the work gets more difficult they drop them off in a middle school with no ability to cope with all of the issues that come up in that age group. I see NO advantage to home schooling your children - a great family doesn't have to together 100% of the time. I feel sorry for those poor kids.! "

Teacher Mom wrote on January 28, 2008 8:41 am:
" Some commenters claim that there is no evidence that homeschooled students outscore other students on tests. This is false. Do some research. Homeschooled students have consistently EXCEEDED national average composite ACT scores since 1996, when testing officials began tracking them.

Homeschoolers are not afraid of testing, they are opposed to annual government-mandated evaluations tied to extreme penalties for individual children who perform poorly on even one exam.

How many teachers in the public schools would support such measures for their students? "

It's not about one vs. another wrote on January 28, 2008 8:51 am:
" Yes, there are good and bad students in both systems - Government and exempt. That is not the issue here. The real issue is about Rights and control.
There has been several postings concerned with holding Homeschoolers accountable... but to who? and why?
Do Homeschoolers place a burden on the State? Do Homeschoolers ask for anything from the State, except to be left alone?
This bill is not about education -- there are plenty of issues within the Governmental Schools that need attention first. Government Teachers aren't even allowed to give zeros to students who don't do the work assigned, Government Teachers aren't allowed to hold students back to make sure that the student really understands the material.
This bill is about taking the Rights and Responsibilities away from Parents. One more brick removed from the foundation of freedom this country was created upon. "

The Facts wrote on January 28, 2008 9:16 am:
" Several of those who commented here said that homeschoolers should be tested because public school students are required to be tested under the No Child Left Behind laws. What all these people failed to mention was that the testing under NCLB is a requirement for public schools to receive FEDERAL FUNDING. Federal funding is withheld if a state does not submit to this testing or fails to meet the "standards". Homeschoolers receive NO FUNDING FROM THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THEREFORE, THE STATE HAS NO RIGHT TO REQUIRE TESTING. The only bill that would be fair would be that those who WISH to receive funding from the state for homeschooling would have to do testing. If you do not wish to receive state help, then no testing is necessary. "

Whose children? wrote on January 28, 2008 9:21 am:
" .Homeschool parents pay taxes just like everybody else, and our children are not using the resources. I am opposed to this bill entirely, but proposing we pay for this state mandated testing is adding insult to injury.

To "Public School Teacher" below, hate to break it to you but parents are the first and primary educators of their children and in most cases we do an excellent job, in fact our children often out-test public school kids. According to your line of thinking, maybe we need to be certified before we have children...just think of the damage we can do before they hit preschool! Your certification does not make you a better teacher of OUR children. Your comments illustrate the underlying error in the thinking behind the education associations and some educators out there, you are not replacing us, you are not more qualified than us...you are there to assist us in the education of our children...when we choose to utilize your services. Don't forget they are OUR children, not the states. "

It's a bad bill wrote on January 28, 2008 9:33 am:
" I don't think the government knows better how to raise children than almost any parent out there. The few exceptions to that statement probably send their kids to public schools. I don't home-school my kids but I know a lot of families who do and their kids have plenty of socialization skills. Anyone who says otherwise is revealing a prejudice. You can see an anti-religious undercurrent in some of the comments favoring this legislation.

The reasons this bill is bad include:

-- The cost of the testing is borne by the families. These families already pay property taxes that go to support public schools their children don't attend. If the state insists on testing, pay for the testing from the property taxes these folks already pay.

-- It's a burden and intrusion on the home-schooling families.

-- It's not justified by data that suggest that home-schoolers are better educated (to the extent they perform better on standardized tests) than their public school counterparts.

The public school teachers who have posted comments here in support of this bill are basing their support on anecdotal evidence of questionable validity. Why not rely on testing scores that actually exist that show homeschooled children outperforming their public school counterparts? I've never met parents more dedicated to their children's education than those who homeschool. "

homeschooling parent wrote on January 28, 2008 9:46 am:
" WCG..the public schools have failed many more children than homeschooling parents. You are correct that there are some that take advantage and do nothing to help their children, but if they pulled the data I'm sure we would see that the percentage of homeschoolers not learning is by far lower than the percentage coming out of our public schools. My children will NEVER attend public schools because they are failing us. "

Rex wrote on January 28, 2008 10:10 am:
" How about SENATORS being tested BEFORE they can run
for election??????? I would bet nearly ALL of them would
FLUNK!! I can point out alot that SHOULD NOT be
voting and making laws for the peoples' lives!!!!!!! "

homeschooling mom wrote on January 28, 2008 10:15 am:
" My sons were in the public school system for 5 years. I would have to say that they have learned more in 2 years of homeschool than they ever learned in public. Some kids need the one on one attention homeschooling can provide. As far as testing, I agree with the article, that a test is not always a good indicator for what knowledge a child possess. "

Anne wrote on January 28, 2008 10:36 am:
" Although, it is an interesting thought, I do not believe that it is home schooling alone that needs to be assessed. My son is in the 3rd grade and is finally beginning to read at level. It isn't because he isn't intelligent. It isn't because we haven't worked with him on may different levels. My son is at above average intelligence. He simply needed a bit of time to mature to a level that allowed him to progress in reading. He has read for many years at home and still reads at a much higher level at home than he does in school. However, he finally found a teacher who understood his needs and he is now racing ahead in his reading. We have actually used support from outside of the school system, to increase his reading level. I truly believe that had it been left upto the school system, he would not be doing as well as he is today.

In closing, I believe that it is important to have an open mind when deciding about testing. As others have said, some children do not test well. Some children mature at different levels. Unless you are willing to take all factors into account, this will not work.

Please make sure it is fair and meaningful testing if the law passes. And make sure that you are testing public school students from all levels at the same time with the same tests. I don't think they will do any better...

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This is Not About the Parents wrote on January 28, 2008 11:00 am:
" I am dismayed to note how many comments here focus on parents' rights. This is not about the parents, it is about the right of each American child to receive a good education. I too have known many home-schooling families. While they all seem to mean well, in most cases the parental educator is not herself very well-educated--just highly opinionated. Sad. "

They really need social testing! wrote on January 28, 2008 11:24 am:
" The heck with the standardized education testing - get these kids some sort of "social abilities" test. Kids that I have met who have been home-schooled have been fine in terms of academic prowess, but their social skills are deplorable. This is, of course, not to suggest that ALL public school kids are more socially adept than ALL home-schooled kids, but the vast majority are. Mom and Dad are not the right judges of how well the kids get along with other people in social settings. The skills these kids will ACTUALLY need in life aren't in a history textbook; rather, they come from frequent interaction with a peer group. "

What is wrong with this? Afraid? wrote on January 28, 2008 11:31 am:
" I think this bill is just fine. Home-schooled kids should be tested. Not only to compare to other students, but to also document year to year progress.

I am in no way qualified to teach a child, even though I excelled in school, graduated college with honors, and I'm a successful business person in Lincoln. I would never want to teach my children because it almost guarantees that they will not be smarter then I am. The only way they will become smarter is by learning on their own...which neither home schooling or public schooling have much to do with, it would be up to the child's passion for a subject.

Public schools have their problems, but they have advantages too. For children, AND PARENTS, who care about education, public schools are great. Most schools have very educated teachers, a few of mine were professors at UNL as well, who love teaching children. A child has many teachers to bounce ideas off of, instead of just one person who has a very narrow view on things. We also can't ignore the social growth that happens at a public school. When I was in high school and we started to see some home-schooled kids enroll for various reasons, their social skills were well below what was considered normal. They were either extremely shy because they had never been around so many kids, or they were just extremely immature for their age.

I'm not sure why parents who want to be so involved with their students learning are not OK with their student going to a public school. I would have my student go to a public school and then come home and be involved in what they learned that day. I'd help them with their homework. I'd probably even learn a thing or two from them.

Why are most home-school parents religious? I'm Christian but I have no desire to home school my student. Sure, there are things my child will learn that disagree with the Bible, but that's why as a parent I will be involved with my child's learning and I will tell them that this is what the Bible says, this is what some scientist says. Here is the reasoning behind both, now decide which one sounds right to you. It seems like a lot of these home school parents are just afraid of their children having thoughts of their own. Thinking outside the box, questioning the Bible (which the Bible even says you should question the Bible...you'll find out the Bible is pretty much dead on), and studying theories on their own seems like a fear that home school parents have. I'm not sure why. Anyone have any answers? "

BYOB wrote on January 28, 2008 11:32 am:
" What the heck is going on? Get these poor kids back in public school where they can learn something,those home school parents are just after the big tax break and state aid money. Get real! this is just another way for the state to be more of a mommy and daddy to our kids, they already have guidlines for punishing and scolding them, why not home education too? Well mama Shimek, you can buy their clothes and tuck them in too, oh yea, stop and pick up a few groceries while you're at it. "

hmmm... wrote on January 28, 2008 11:43 am:
" I agree that there should be a system in place to make sure parents aren't neglecting their children's educational needs. But shouldn't the state pay for this testing then?

Right now the parents of homeschoolers pay taxes to the state just like everyone else, and I'm guessing a portion of that money goes into the state's public education budget. So these parents are already paying money for a service which they are not using. If the state wants parents to be held accountable, that's fine, but I don't think the parents should have to pay the bill.

I also disagree with the idea that students who fail the tests would be removed from home-schooling and placed in an accredited school. If a students fails, it seems that a more appropriate response would be for a state official to then go into the home and investigate WHY that student failed. If the parents are found to be neglecting their children educationally, then the children should be placed in an accredited school. If they failed for another reason, such as a learning disability, test anxiety, etc... then let them stay in home school.

It seems to me the state would be opening themselves up to several lawsuits if they were to force students into public schools based on a test performances that can be influenced by a variety of factors unrelated to the parents' teaching quality. "

BC wrote on January 28, 2008 11:56 am:
" There are problems in both areas of the public and home school issue. I think there is an issue with some (not all)home schooling parents who use the term "home school" as a tool to get their troubled child out of the public system because of the schools continued enforcement of the truancy laws or just unapropriate behavior in class, and in those cases the academic progress testing is a joke. Do you think the child will actually be sitting down and taking time out of their busy tv watching schedule to take the test or will someone else be taking the test for them to keep them home??? "

Readin', ritin' and ?? wrote on January 28, 2008 12:23 pm:
" This bill is not about taking anything away from parents. It is about making sure that homeschooled kids are learning. With no tests in place how do you know these kids are learning anything? There should have been some form of testing in place for these children a long time before this. If these kids are getting a far superior education then there is nothing to fear. If they are getting a substandard education then lets get them out of a "school" that isn't teaching them anything. "

There is more to this bill wrote on January 28, 2008 1:19 pm:
" than a simple test. Testing is not the whole issue in this bill.
The bill does not address the issue of what happens to a public student who fails the standard tests.
The bill does not address why children that are going into the public system are not tested BEFORE they enter school -- which is something required for those desiring to use an alternative.
This bill does not cover why the tax-paying parents are required to pay for these tests.
This bill does not address the public-school bias of those chosen to oversee the system.
This bill does not address by what criteria the Commissioner is going to use to "grant" permission to those wishing to Homeschool. It would be completely feasible for the Commissioner to deny EVERYONE the right to Homeschool, just by what is written in this bill.
This bill does not stipulate differences in evaluation for children with special academic needs.
This bill makes it possible for the Department of Education to start dictating what is taught and how.

There is plenty wrong with this bill -- well beyond simple testing. "

To Teacher Mom wrote on January 28, 2008 1:31 pm:
" "Might there be some home-schooled children with neglectful parents who will benefit from being placed in an accredited school? Perhaps, but not even Senator Schimek has been able to provide examples of such children."
Ask me. I can give you the name of a pre-teen who is supposed to be home-schooled but he and his mother are refusing to follow through with lessons. He watches TV and plays video games all day. This preteen has no interest in learning, in going to college, or even getting a job in a couple years. Very sad. Such a waste of a potentially productive person just out of pure laziness on the part of the "teacher" and this kid. "

Different worries wrote on January 28, 2008 1:59 pm:
" I know a lot of people from college & grad school who were home schooled and did very, very well in college & grad school. However, every single one of them without exception had serious social issues in interacting with others. I fully support a parent's right to home school his or her child, however I would never do it myself or advocate it simply because of the vital social skills they miss out on. You can be one of the top students in your law school class and be unable to get a job simply because you lack the social skills to work with others and ace an interview. "

Cindy wrote on January 28, 2008 3:11 pm:
" This is tough. On one hand, I don't think the state should create more gov't pushing its way into our private homes. On the other hand, I can personally name 6 illiterate men who were 'home schooled'.
I can also personally name some really crappy public schools here in Nebraska.
Why don't we improve our public schools academically and make them more attractive to home schoolers? Why can't we offer home schoolers some open campus type classes? I know chemistry is very difficult and expensive for home schoolers. We just give them one choice, take public school or leave it. They are tax payers too, lets find what works best to educate our kids.
Many of our parents choose to home school because they find their moral teachings are contradicted in public schools, what can we do to fix that? "

yeah...... wrote on January 28, 2008 3:29 pm:
" because our public schools are OH SO great!hahhaha more time wasting from our Senators!!! awesome "

In Response to Hmmm wrote on January 28, 2008 3:38 pm:
" I don't think the state should have to pay for these students testing. The state has in place, a free way for these students to get tested...it's called public schooling. If you don't want to take advantage of public schooling, that doesn't mean you should get money back. I doubt I'll be able to take advantage of Social Security, but that doesn't mean I'll get any money back. Neither should home school parents. If they don't like the added cost, send you kids to public schools. Be involved with their learning, but let those who are certified do the actual teaching, be complimentary to this. "

correction to charter schools wrote on January 28, 2008 3:44 pm:
" In response to Zoomie who stated charter schools do WORSE than public schools-you are right. What wasn't mentioned is that charter schools are PUBLIC schools, the curriculum is mandated by the STATE, the schedule is mandated by the STATE, the testing is mandated by the STATE. The student is required to be in school via video or actual classroom setting. Charter schools are another form of public schools...let's chew on that for a while before we say the public schools are better for all. "

Do homeschools really... wrote on January 28, 2008 5:32 pm:
" think that they can provide a better, broader education than a structured private or public school!? Socially homeschool kids are a wreck! Many of the parents that I have met that do home schooling are not smart enough to take on this task, although if you ask them they far exceed trained educators. Test them, if they are really good enough the kids wont have a problem with it & then thier only struggle will be common sence in a social structure! "

Morgan wrote on January 28, 2008 6:23 pm:
" This is lame. I am homeschooled, and this would suck. Any smart person could stink up a standardized test. I love being home, it's way better for me than public school. Plus, I get straight "A's". "

GM wrote on January 28, 2008 8:38 pm:
" A former GED examiner stated that some homeschool students did great on the GED test and others failed miserably. I would like to see all public high school students be required to pass the GED test in order to graduate. I think you would find that many public school graduates would fail miserably on the GED test as well. "

The ol' "social skills" canard wrote on January 28, 2008 10:26 pm:
" I attended public schools. There were plenty of socially inept kids there. Through various activities, I've come to know a multitude of home-schooled kids and I haven't run across any of these "socially inept" homeschoolers people keep posting about. Not one. And I'm talking about dozens and dozens of home-schooled kids.

See, school is not the only place where socialization takes place. There are home-schooled kids on my kids' baseball and swimming teams. My kids have been involved in drama programs with many home-schooled kids. And my kids have been involved in instrumental music activities with loads of home-schooled kids.

One significant difference I see between the home-schooled kids I've come into contact with and the typical public school kids that I've seen swarm the convenience stores after school is that the home-schooled children are well-behaved and have good manners. I certainly wouldn't describe that as being socially inept. "

A Mom wrote on January 28, 2008 10:35 pm:
" Wow. This is a difficult topic. I have toddlers and have been paying attention to all of these issues as they will be entering some type of school program soon. I am not against either type of education, but I do want to be able to make choices for my children that will help them to thrive in education and life. My question is, what if I homeschool my child and they end up struggling in one or two areas. Then they take a test and instead of working on those areas, they are put into a public school against our wishes. Then they go to that public school and still struggle with those areas, but get less attention and more distraction, or a horrible teacher. My high school Calc teacher didn't teach me a thing(he was the football coach and only gave A's to his players:). The only reason I passed is my Mom connected me with a study group who tutored me through the class. Thanks Mom - not state controlled education.
It seems to me that no matter how many laws are passed, no matter how much control the state/government has over our children's education; children will be shaped by the influence of their parents and by the lessons/ values they are taught at home.
How about a bill requiring parenting classes that parents have to pass before giving birth or adopting?? "

mom wrote on January 29, 2008 6:35 am:
" So because my children don't use fowl language,and talk to his parents with disrespect, just name a few of the social behaviors I've seen come out of public school, they are socially a wreck. Praise God!! My social wrecks get along wonderfully with their other homeschool peers. "

Middle Aged Mom wrote on January 29, 2008 8:09 am:
" *Any body ever ask yourself WHY was NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND implemented in the first place? Could this be indicative of the state of public schools in the past? As I understand it, Public schools didn't voluntarily request to be a part of NCLB, and they probably wouldn't do the testing either were it not that they don't get federal funds if they don't comply.

*WHY are/were parents pulling their kids out of public school and opting for either private or home education in the first place?

*Anybody mention that Senator Schimek's husband Herb is a lobbyist for the state teacher's union (NSEA)? How does this PREJUDICE her against anything other than state-sponsored schools?

*This is MORE than about simple testing. It goes MUCH DEEPER than that. MUCH DEEPER.


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WCG wrote on January 29, 2008 8:17 am:
" Many of the comments here are bizarre. Have you even read this article? SOME home-schooled kids are doing well, SOME are not. This bill isn't about forcing kids into public schools, it's about making sure that ALL home-schooled kids are getting the education they deserve. If you're doing so wonderfully with your own home school, then why worry about demonstrating that? This isn't some giant conspiracy trying to destroy home schooling. This isn't the evil government bureaucracy coming to take away your God-given rights. This is simply a way to identify kids whose parents are failing them. And they ARE out there. They may be a minority in home schools, but you can't argue that they don't exist. I've seen it. "

There are already provisions wrote on January 29, 2008 8:31 am:
" in the current laws to protect children from poorly ran exempt schools. Rules 12 and 13 state that if someone suspects that there are children not being educated the DoE can step in and confirm.
More laws (especially badly written ones) are not needed.

Also, if the Nebraska DoE can't even come to grips on what standardized tests they should use for the Government schools ( to meet U.S. regulations on No Child Left Behind), then they should leave exempt schools alone. "

challenge wrote on January 29, 2008 9:13 am:
" I as a homeschooling parent, I would challenge any other homeschooling parents to go and have our students tested, turn it into the state and see where we stand. I have a feeling that the state would be embarassed at the results. I have yet to see a homeschooled child who is not far beyond their fellow peers who go to public school. This might be one way to prove once and for all how effective and productive homeschooling is, and get Sen. DiAnna Schimek and her ilk off our backs. "

Jess wrote on January 29, 2008 10:30 am:
" I was not home schooled, but my siblings are. I know that they are well prepared because they are tested. Every quarter they have to pass tests that are standard to the program they are in. If they don't pass, they can not move forward in the program. I know that my mother would gladly allow them to be tested and show how well they stack up against their peers.

And as far as being socially inept, I know a lot of home schoolers and they get interaction with each other and more adult interaction than public or private school children. "

Fishy wrote on January 29, 2008 12:29 pm:
" We need Foley and Fulton to get to the bottom of this Home school situation. I am concerned for the well being of these children being taught at home and not being tested the same as children in public or private schools. "

se wrote on January 29, 2008 12:44 pm:
" What I don't understand is why teachers are required to earn a college degree to teach but yet parents, many less educated, who desire to homeschool their children, are deemed qualifed to teach. I know of parents homeschooling their children that only have a GED. What does this say to our school teachers who are educated and are required continue their education, keeping their teaching certificates up to date in order to do their job?
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EMS wrote on January 29, 2008 1:54 pm:
" It's amazing how many people that write comments have no idea what they're talking about. I wish we got tax breaks and free educational material from out local schools! In our local school district our children weren't even allowed to participate in sports. As far as being socially inept goes, the people making those comments obviously haven't met my children, or any of their home schooled friends. On the contrary, I'm often shocked and appalled at the behavior and attitudes of my son's many public schooled friends.
As for the people that claim home schooled children are just sitting in front of the tv, have you thought about the fact that many, many people use the public school system as a free babysitter so mom can get back into the workforce? Why would my wife and I have made the financial sacrifices we did if we weren't serious about educating our children? It just wouldn't make sense.
Last but not least, my daughter just started college and is doing very well. She has surprised her instructors several times with her maturity and her dedication to her work. There was some trepidation on her part on entering a classroom environment for the first time, but after the first week she settled in and is very much enjoying the experience. I have no doubt my son will enjoy the same success in a few years when he enters college.
Diane, let it go. We don't need it, we don't want it, and we won't sit idly by and have it shoved down our throats. If any of you home schoolers out there aren't yet members of the hslda (home school legal defense association) you need to join. They will be part of the fight against this nonsense.
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20 to 30 years wrote on January 29, 2008 2:05 pm:
" too late. There hasn't been a problem in that amount of time. As for an education curriculum, most home schooled kids have some sort of association with a parochial school & there are homeschooled curriculums out there that are excellent. Testing these kids are a waste of time. Most of them take the GED to show that they have made some sort of documented educational standard. Why throw more work on the schools? The next question will be, how will these kids be tested & what tests will be used? Will that recquire more legislation? "

The bottom line in ths bill wrote on January 29, 2008 2:16 pm:
" is Control. Please, read the bill and not just the media version. The bill plainly states that if the DoE Commissioner wants to deny every request to Homeschool, he can. No explanation need to be given. That is control, period. "

Teacher wrote on January 29, 2008 2:45 pm:
" I taught in a now-closed private Christian school where many kids came from homeschooling or left to be homeschooled. Some were terrific kids with great parents and were at or ahead of grade level. Homeschooling can work. But it doesn't always. I would support this bill because all of the following stories are true from my experience at that school:

*A 20 year old senior. He was a very smart student, but two years behind in school since his mother had frequently pulled him and his brother out of school to homeschool them, then taught them nothing. His brother was an 18 year old sophomore. Both did not want a GED because of the desire to attend selective colleges.

*A family with seven children who pulled six out to homeschool them. Both parents worked full time as did the 16 year old boy and the rest of the kids were home alone all day with a 13 year old girl in charge. The oldest child, an 18 year old senior still in school, attempted to teach the younger ones in his spare time.

*Two boys, a sophomore and senior, who came in after being homeschooled their entire lives. Neither could write a complete sentence. Their mother's answer to our concerns about that? "They always got A's in English with me."

*A 14 year old freshman boy who had been homeschooled all his life did not know how to hold a pencil correctly and could not print legibly or spell words larger than one syllable.

*A 16 year old junior girl pulled out of school in the middle of the year to homeschool. She did not do any curriculum; she spent her days working as her mother's receptionist for her real estate office (unpaid) or babysitting her younger half-siblings. The mother and step-father arranged a marriage for her when she was 18. I kid you not. A white middle class Christian family in Omaha nine years ago arranged their daughter's marriage through their small Fundamentalist church. "

Hmm?? wrote on January 29, 2008 3:00 pm:
" Now isn't this the same Legislature that killed the bill to allow misconduct charges against public school teachers public knowledge? Just another example of how clueless senators are. Obviously, the NSEA IS IN CHARGE OF THE LEGISLATURE. Is it no wonder that people homeschool. "

Let's be honest wrote on January 29, 2008 5:24 pm:
" While there may be some homeschooling parents who aren't doing an adequate job, it's certainly going to be a tiny fraction of the total number of homeschooling families. The vast majority of parents who feel strongly enough about their children's education to homeschool them are going to be among the most conscientious parent-educators out there. The statistics suggest that home-schooled children outperform their public school peers on standardized tests.

So, what are they afraid of many of you ask? Well, for one thing, it's the cost. We have no idea how much this testing is going to cost but the bill passes that cost on to the parents even though these parents have undoubtedly paid property taxes that go to public schools they don't use. The thing of it is that it's an unnecessary imposition on the vast majority of homeschooling families who are doing well. This bill is like using a club to kill a gnat.

If the NSEA thinks it's so important basically for the public schools to test these homeschooled children -- if it's the government's responsibility to assure adequate progress -- then it seems to me that it's the government's responsibility to pay for it. The government ought not to be telling people to take a test the vast majority of them don't need and then tell them they have to pay for it. Especially when they've already paid taxes that go to education. That's just not right.

I don't know the average cost of educating a public school child for a year but let's assume it's in the order of $5,000-10,000 per year. If that's the case, then the 6,000 homeschooled kids in Nebraska are saving taxpayers $30-60 million per year in education costs. The least the government can do is foot the bill for this testing if it's so important. If the government is unwilling to pay the bill, then it tells me they don't really think it's all that necessary to do this testing. "

JT Hutt wrote on January 29, 2008 6:07 pm:
" I can't believe some of these comments? It is almost like some of you are saying, "I can teach my kid to drive better than anyone else. I don't need the state making my kid to prove they know how to drive. Go drive Jebediah." And I love the "study after study" proves home schooling works. Yeah? Do you think these studies happened in a vacuum? They involved testing!

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I have questions wrote on January 29, 2008 6:59 pm:
" Are these home schools receiveing Federal funds for books, supplies etc? A tax exemption for the "teaching" area of the home? If they are, then we must test to evaluate that the money is being used for a purposeful education. How do SAT scores compare? What level of college to home schooled children attain? Very incomplete article. "

skippy wrote on January 29, 2008 7:25 pm:
" We do have sufficient evidence that home education works. Current law has been in existence for 24 years. Many of those who were educated at home in the past are now in college or have graduated from college. My son scored a 32 on his ACT test and is now an Engineering student at UN-L, works 20 hrs a week and is actively involved in our local church. I would say he is positively contributing to society. His older sister graduated with Honors from UN-L and is working on her Master’s Degree and is one of the youngest people to be hired as a manager for a well know company. They would have been bored to tears in a traditional school setting, especially in their youngest years. Home Education is a lot more efficient because we don’t have to gear our lessons to the lowest common denominator.

Please stop implying that I am an idiot by questioning my ability to teach my own children! “Teacher training” doesn’t automatically translate that a student is actually learning! Especially if that “education” is simply no more than spewing a bunch of facts and “teaching” to a test. A real education will instill the love of learning in a child, and is constantly going on whether the child is sitting at a desk studying grammar and math, or going on a hike, or going to tour the East Campus Dairy Store. It also involves character development and being morally sound.

And let’s get this view of “socialization” right. To socialize is the act of being with other people for enjoyment. “Socialization” is being able to participate actively in a social group. Home educators do in fact leave the house and interact with other people in this community, and I can assure you my children have a good handle on both concepts.

This bill is more than just about testing. It is much more than that! Do you think we home school just to annoy you? This is a decision that is extremely personal, and one that we do not take lightly. Please respect our decision to do what we feel is best for our children with the least amount of government interference.

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Homeschool graduate wrote on January 29, 2008 8:12 pm:
" I was homeschooled since first grade and I loved every moment of it. My parents taught me to the best of their ability and it was something they took very seriously. They were able to really address the areas I needed I needed more help in and were very creative in their aproach. Many of my friends are homechooled too and are very involved in numerous activities in the community. Saying that homeschooled children are under socialized is just nonesense. In general they are more active and in tune with what is going on in the world than the public school students I know. In testing, it has been proved that homeschooled students do much better than public schooled students. For those who say parents need to be held accountable to the state, I would like to say that we are already accountable to a Higher Power and that is more important. While it is true that there may be a few cases where the parents may not be doing the best job possible, that is not the case in any of the homeschooling families I know here in NE. I might add that there are also public school teachers who do not teach their students to the best of their ability either. Who do you really think is more concerned whith your child's education; someone who is essencially hired for the job, or the child's own parents whose desire is for their child to succeed and do well in life? Does homeschooling work? Yes it does, and the state doesn't need to make it more difficult for parents to raise their children how they think is best by requiring tests and threating to make their children go to public school. "

One more thing wrote on January 29, 2008 8:31 pm:
" This law would only require testing the kids who are legally required to be in school. That means they don't test kids who are, what, 16 years and older? Everyone out there who is worried about homeschoolers not being able to read and write and pass high school will have to remain worried even if this bill is passed. Once the kids reach an age where they don't have to legally be in school anymore, the state won't be evaluating them at all. And those kids who aren't making progress and get sent to public schools, well, their parents can pull them right back out and home-school them as soon as they finish the school year during which they turn 16. So, no problem solved.

And one more thing about home-schooling that the public school teachers posting on here haven't thought about. I had a niece who was being cyber-bullied so badly about her weight that my sister-in-law had to pull her out of public school and home-school her from her sophomore year on. Funny how you never hear about cyber-bullying (or any kind of bullying, really) among home-schoolers. "

skippy wrote on January 30, 2008 5:27 am:
"
To answer the question about whether Home Educators receive tax money-- the answer is NO. Home educators receive no federal or state funds and receive no tax exemptions. "

to "one more thing" wrote on January 30, 2008 8:37 am:
" the compulsory attendance law is 5 3/4 to 18 years of age. As a home educator it is necessary to jump through hoops to graduate a student BEFORE 18yrs old. "

Home educators get no breaks wrote on January 30, 2008 8:45 am:
" To set the record straight: Home educators do not get tax breaks, Federal funds, free curriculum/supplies, free testing. No part of the house can be written off on taxes. Home educators pay for books/supplies, music lessons/orchestra, choir, field trips, science fairs, testing, desks, lunch, you name it. The WHOLE cost of home educating these children is borne by the parents. "

compulsory education age range wrote on January 30, 2008 10:38 am:
" I just looked it up and Neb. Statute 79-201 requires compulsory education for children between the ages of 7 and 16. Any child younger than 7 or older than 16 doesn't have to attend school. I've read this bill, LB 1141, and it only calls for testing of kids who fall within that range. Home-schooled kids younger than 7 won't be tested and neither will home-schooled kids older than 16.

So, all of you posters who cited anecdotal examples of 18 year-old home-schooled kids who are behind when they enter public school need to understand this bill won't change that. Lazy home-schooling parents -- assuming for the sake of argument that they exist -- will still be permitted to fail to educate their 17 and 18 year-old children under this bill.

The tests also won't evaluate the socialization skills of home-schooled kids. So anyone worried about whether home-schooled kids are socially inept will have to continue to worry even if this bill is passed. Not that they should worry because I don't think those fears are well-founded. And, frankly, I'm not even sure why some posters even brought that up because it's not relevant to this bill. The bill doesn't address social eptness at all.

What bringing up the alleged social ineptness of homeschoolers does is reveal some prejudice of the posters who raised the concerns. And we can see that overt prejudice in a number of the posts on this story. For example, WCG tells us that "religious nuts are firmly behind the home schooling movement." JPF asserts that, "only half of these kids know anything more than their favorite bible quotes."

It's clear that there's some real hatred and intolerance towards religious people and it certainly makes one wonder what has motivated the legislature to consider this bill at this time. "

Former-Homeschool UNL Honors Student wrote on January 30, 2008 12:08 pm:
" Sen. Schimek, like most people, has a severe misunderstanding of how homeschooling works. I am a formerly homeschooled student with three younger brothers who are also homeschooled. I understand that each case is different, but our curriculem was a rigorous one, full of challenges. I took chemistry, anatomy, algebra, history, english, geography, Spanish, Latin, art, and many other subjects while homeschooling. I took piano lessons for eleven years. While a junior, I was admitted to York College to take one of their honors english classes, and passed with a 4.0. Every year we took the Iowa Tests of basic skills, and routinely tested at three or four grade levels above our school grade. We had people of all ages for friends. I was as likely to visit a four-year-old for the afternoon as a ninety-year old in the nursing home on a daily basis. Homeschooling was a wonderful opportunity for me. I am now a successful UNL student and have great relationships with my professors and classmates alike. In fact, my first semester was almost like stepping back a grade because the subject matter in my classes was far easier than what I had been doing the year before while homeschooling.
I realize that not all homeschool families are like this, but I do not believe that all should be punished because a few do not educate their children properly. If these drastic measures are instituted, many children might not even get a good education. Some children are homeschooled because they do NOT learn well in noisy group settings, and learn far more in the quiet of home. Some children, especially on western Nebraska, live too far away from a traditional school to actually attend without a three or four-hour commute. Others are incredibly smart and feel stifled by a public school environment. Others, like myself, are discriminated against because of gender and social status and left to fall into the cracks, not actually taught anything and made to somehow find their own way through school or homeschool.
I think that before such a bill is passed or even introduced, people need to try to understand what homeschooling really is, before our freedom is taken away. "

Kristi wrote on January 30, 2008 2:42 pm:
" In response to Zoomie's assertion that, "Second, there is NO national evidence home-schoolers on average do better (or worse) than public schoolers, because most home-school supporters refuse to endorse such standardized testing (witness the comments here to simply testing the home-schoolers, not tampering with the schooling itself). "

Please go to www.nheri.org, which is the National Home Education Research Institute. Here is the link for Facts on Homeschooling: http://www.nheri.org/content/view/174/62/

The information will rebut many of the uninformed statements (read "opinions") in the comments on this article.

Additionally, as a matter of fiscal conservatism please read this quote by the researcher: "Each home-educated student saves taxpayers an average of at least $7,100 every year."
- Brian D. Ray, Ph.D.

Let's look at what is really going on here: Follow the money.

Besides, if the bill was patterned after Iowa's law, there would have been additional options in it, with input from homeschool associations, etc.


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more on compulsory attendance wrote on January 30, 2008 3:48 pm:
" While it is true home educators can file to be exempted from the compulsory law of 6-18yrs (making their attendance ages 7-16years) this bill does not take that into account. The wording of the bill is thus: "Each child of compulsory education age as provided in section 79-201 who attends a private, denominational, or parochial school which elects not to meet state accreditation or approval requirements pursuant to section 79-201 shall either (a) be evaluated annually...". This then reads that any child of compulsory attendance age would be tested...since filing must be done for children in an exempt school no matter the age, OR those children should be in public school- would it not stand to reason the testing would include those children as well? Especially since this bill is designed to ensure the progress of all children, otherwise how would they know whether or not those younger than 7 and older than 16 should still be in school--as they would if they were in the public school system? Isn't this bill designed to get the homeschoolers into the public schools? It only makes sense--something to chew on. "

$$$$$$ wrote on January 30, 2008 5:26 pm:
" Let's be clear on this one- homeschoolers receive NO funding from the government (state or fed.), NO tax breaks, and NO curriculm from the local school district. We do it all on our own. "

just a thought... wrote on January 30, 2008 10:27 pm:
" If Diana Schimek really wants to ensure the well-being of home-schooled children, then this bill really doesn't go far enough. Children in accredited schools eat meals that are approved by registered dieticians and prepared in accordance with health standards set by the county board of health. We also ought to require parents who have the audacity to cook their own meals for their own children to be held to the same standards. How can we know that they are not pumping their kids full of crap cooked in dirty kitchens? Why would we think that a parent who is not a registered dietician would know the first thing about providing their family with a healthy, home-cooked meal? This bill doesn't go nearly far enough in regulating the way parents raise their children! "

just a thought... wrote on January 31, 2008 11:25 am:
" If we really want to ensure the well-being of home-schooled children, then this bill really doesn't go far enough. Stop a moment and think: Children in accredited schools eat meals that are approved by registered dieticians and prepared in accordance with health standards set by the county board of health. This is as it should be! Shouldn't we also require parents who have the audacity to cook their own meals for their own children to be held to the same standards? How can we know that they are not pumping their kids full of crap cooked in dirty kitchens? Why would we think that a parent who is not a registered dietician would know the first thing about providing their family with a healthy, home-cooked meal? This bill doesn't go nearly far enough in helping legislate the way parents raise their children! "

Maeven6 wrote on January 31, 2008 1:43 pm:
" Okay, so instead of just the schools teaching the test they want to force us to use this foolish method also? Far more students fail and get left behind in a year in PS than so far in all of the homeschoolng movement. Let's just see the statistics? Hummm, can we see the school system quake a bit harder? Oh, and let us also see the statistics or ratio of student drop outs of HS versus dropouts of PS while we are at it and also data and ratio of those that go onto college too. "

What have we become? wrote on January 31, 2008 2:47 pm:
" I'm so sad to see how many adults are still filled with such fear about things they aren't familiar with.

I'm so sickened by all of the comments about "all homeschool kids" being socially stunted. Or "all public school kids" being behind academically.

Is this really what we've come to? A bunch of freaky grown-ups, teaching our kids to generalize entire populations based upon stereotypes?

It's amazing how even here in "the land of the free", there is always going to be a group of people who feel entitled to judge and insult another.

As a parent to both public schooled kids and homeschooled kids (simultaneously), it makes me really sad for ALL of our kids, to know that there are so many bitter, angry adults spreading hate and stacking the deck against them before they're even off the playground. "

Diane Peyton wrote on February 1, 2008 4:26 pm:
" My neice is wheel chair bound not mentally bound. Public school wanted to put her in a special ed class. Her parents home school. She is in 2nd grade with a 4th grade mentality. Parents can educate,they are proving that they are capable and have common sense. Don't let our kids face morality issues in the system or the drugs. Teachers get a paid 3 month vacation and a Union and Pensions. Parents lovingly teach their children and do not Whine. "

Scott wrote on October 6, 2008 1:00 pm:
" If the lawmakers want to stick their noses into the whole homeschooling thing then they should concentrate on the reasons that parents are taking their kids out of public schools. My 3 kids were attending an Elementary school here in Fremont when we pulled them out. Our decision to do so came in many parts.
The treatment of the kids by the office staff, one staff member in particular, and the horrible things the my kids were learning from the other students. My 7 year old daughter came home and asked what oral sex is. She said a boy in her 1st grade class was talking about it.
We pulled our oldest son out of the high school here because of the number of offers of sex from girls he was getting. Not to mention the behavior he was learning from other boys. The high school here actually has a daycare for the children of students. Public school is no longer a safe place for kids and more and more parents are realizing this. Our kids will get a good education at home. They are learning all of the typical courses at their own pace and will be taught exactly what they will need to know to exist in the real world. Another great thing about homeschooling, we don't have to go over the whole lesson again in spanish, like public school. "

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