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Recession: How would it affect Lincoln?

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BY MATT OLBERDING / Lincoln Journal Star

Wednesday, Jan 23, 2008 - 12:26:40 am CST

With the R word bandied about more and more these days, the Journal Star wanted to know what effects a nationwide recession, if it occurs, might have on Lincoln and Nebraska.

We talked to two of the most well-known economists in the state: Creighton University Professor Ernie Goss and Eric Thompson, director of the Bureau of Business Research at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln.

Both keep a keen eye on the economy. Goss produces a monthly business conditions index for the nine-state Mid-American region and the three-state Mountain region, while Thompson does extensive research on the state, regional and national economy as part of his job at UNL.

Both also serve on the Nebraska Business Forecast Council, which produces the newsletter Business in Nebraska four times a year.

Here are the questions we asked them and their answers: 

Q: Do you think a recession is likely?

Goss: Yes. I think the likelihood of a recession has risen above 75 percent. In October, our survey began to detect weakness in the regional economy, much like it did shortly before the 2001 recession. In fact, much of what we are seeing in our survey and national surveys mirrors that preceding the 2001 recession.

Thompson: A recession is certainly much more likely than it has been at any time since 2001. I would say that the chances of a recession are approaching 50 percent, though I still believe a recession may be avoided. What is worrisome from the last week is that stock markets worldwide are behaving as if investors believe a recession is coming.

One reason why the U.S. economy might avoid recession is that a weak dollar will allow U.S. exports to grow strongly.

Q: If we do experience a recession, what will that mean for the state and local economy?

Goss: The downturn in Nebraska will be much less significant than in the U.S.

Four factors will moderate the downturn in Nebraska:

* The downturn in housing and fallout from the subprime mortgage debacle is much less severe here. As one banker in my survey said, “we (the Nebraska banking industry) didn’t make the bad loans, and we will suffer less due to this.”

* Farm income remains very strong despite the economic softness.

* Biofuels and ethanol production have underpinned the state’s economy for industries such as transportation.

* A large insurance industry that is less susceptible to economic downturns.

Despite this, an economic downturn would have ramifications for the Nebraska economy. First, the state’s large transportation sector would take a hit with the level of shipping declining. Second, state and local tax collections will be threatened.

Thompson: There are reasons to believe the Nebraska economy will outperform the national economy over the next year. However, if there is a national recession, that will affect the Nebraska economy as well. If there is a national recession, there will be declining employment in Nebraska as well, although the recession in Nebraska would probably not be as deep as the recession nationally.

Q: What local industries would be hardest hit by a recession? And are there any that are “recession-proof”?

Goss: The hardest hit will include restaurants and hotels with strong ties to business travelers, and transportation firms that ship nonfarm-related products.

Less affected: manufacturing tied to agriculture and biofuels; manufacturing tied to export markets (cheap dollar helps them); health care and insurance; education (graduate programs actually see an upturn in enrollments).

Thompson: Manufacturing would be hard hit — especially manufacturing not related to food processing or agriculture.

Retail would be hard hit.

Professional services (businesses that provide services to other businesses) — computer programmers, accountants, consultants, etc. — would be hard hit.

Q: Are Lincoln, Omaha and the state likely to be any better or worse off than the rest of the country?

Goss: Better off due to factors listed in above. However, the metropolitan areas of Nebraska will be less well-off than non-urban areas of the state. Farmland prices continue to grow at a double-digit pace.

Thompson: I think Nebraska would do better than the nation due to the strong farm sector, due to the fact the manufacturing sector is a smaller part of the economy than in many states, and because much of our manufacturing is tied to the agricultural sector or to food processing, both of which should hold up relatively well. Nebraska also will be better off than the nation overall since the decline in home prices should not be as severe here as in other parts of the country.

Statewide and especially in nonmetropolitan areas, the economy may be better off than the rest of the country. This would be less true in metropolitan areas such as Lincoln, however.

Q: Are any of the moves by the federal government — the proposed economic stimulus package, interest rate cuts, etc. — likely to keep us out of recession or soften the blow?

Goss: They would soften the blow but not eliminate it. But I am especially skeptical of fiscal policy. Mixing federal taxing and spending policy with politics is a bad concoction.

Thompson: Interest rate cuts and economic stimulus packages could help somewhat. These measures are worth a try, but there is no guarantee these will help us avoid a recession.

I think what might also help is if the government takes some steps to ensure that tax and spending policy will improve in the future — in particular, if the federal government started taking steps to assure financial markets that the rate of growth in spending will decline in the future — so that people will have confidence that tax rates will be lower.

Q: Who is most likely to benefit from these measures?

Goss: Borrowers of short-term money will benefit. This includes those who carry balances on their credit cards.

Thompson: The benefits from these measures — if they are effective — would be broad-based, aiding most types of households and businesses.

Reach Matt Olberding at 473-2647 or molberding@journalstar.com.


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Vested Czech wrote on January 23, 2008 6:20 am:
" Does the fact that NE receives 1 billion dollars a year in farm subsidies play a part in this rosy outlook? "

Hank wrote on January 23, 2008 7:51 am:
" As a fellow economist, I find most of these statements accurate. I do find Eric Thompson's call for lower tax rates unrealistic. People had better now have "confidence that tax rates will be lower," because taxes are not paying for what our governments spend now. And, with the need for infrastructure investment, better education, taking care of our ageing population, and raising our national level of saving, taxes will have to rise in the future. Let's stop feeding this completely unrealistic conception that we can keep reducing tax rates forever and survive without a competent and well-funded government. We are suffering terribly because of our incompetent federal government that can no longer competently handle domestic or foreign policies. The true answer to our country's needs is more political participation and awareness by Americans, not the continiued blind, knee-jerk calls for "lower taxes" that further reduce our government to little more than an occasional a tool of special interests without any capacity to actually deal with real government issues. "

under 60 wrote on January 23, 2008 10:17 am:
" Does Goss statement that the downturn will be much less significant than in the u.s. mean that nebraska is not part of the u.s.? I always thought that the state of nebraska thought of itself as a seperate entity. Not only that but lincoln and omaha are not a part of the rest of the state. No, it will not hurt the ag related industry as its subsidized by the government. This goes both ways though. As the u.s. economy returns, nebraska will just about start their version of recession as they are always about 20 years behind the curve. "

Hank Is Wrong wrote on January 23, 2008 10:34 am:
" Every time throughout history, whether it's nationally or at the state level, when tax rates are lowered, revenue is INCREASED. It's been proven over and over and over again. When people have more of thier own money they'll invest it, spend it etc., all of which fuel the economy, all of which generate revenue in various forms. Historically, in the US under Reagan, in the UK under Lawson, in Russia and China more recently, and lately in a host of countries, especially in central Europe, low taxes and flat taxes have been proven to raise growth and raise tax revenues.
"

Late O'Day wrote on January 23, 2008 12:32 pm:
" What an easy question. The economic damage done by the smoking ban will be blamed on the Recession. Oh, and those lots downtown that the city was in such a hurry to tear down and plow over for the "Lincoln Visionary" crowd? Those are likely to remain parking lots for a very long time. "

Lynette wrote on January 23, 2008 12:39 pm:
" I say that if I had the ability right now I would pat Hank on the back! Thank You Hank! I couldn't have said it better! "

Woooo wrote on January 23, 2008 12:46 pm:
" I would take the article & Hank's comment with a grain of
salt!! Higher taxes sure isn't going to help me!! You only need higher taxes if you want to keep spending out of
control. Nebraska's minimal effect is because there is
little to affect. If companies closed show me where you'd
go in Nebr to find jobs??? We're all not farmers you know.
If the iUniverse 70 employees don't move along with the
company, where are the 70 jobs??? The Indpls Business
Journal title about the company moving says it all:
"Bloomington publisher closing REMOTE SITE." I have worked
for a huge insurance company and they ARE NOT immune to
recessions!!!! You would be surprised when people are
hurting financially how they will cancel homeowners
insurance & auto insurance, law or no law! Borrow on life
insurance, and there is the touch & go subprime problem
not to mention loss of jobs! At this point the plus side
so far is farmers good fortune of ethonal if they have
the acres!!! "

Hay Vest wrote on January 23, 2008 1:05 pm:
" Do you realize that this money gets pumped right back into the urban economy?Everyone puts down farming until the going gets bad but look which industry softens the blow in the midwest.Look how many jobs are saved because they are urban located but AG backed.(I dont farm) but I am very glad that the company I work for has to do with Ag background. We may see some cut backs but I sure wuld"nt compare them to those companys that are not Ag related and if you read every Q&A asked of these two experts,they say the same.Thanks farmers,even there some out there that dont apperciate your industry,I know I am glad my job is in Ne.instead of New York or Cal. "

jim wrote on January 23, 2008 1:15 pm:
" The government should immediately establish a regulatory agency to monitor the mortgage industry to assure the foreign markets that this subprime mortgage abuse will not happen again.Greenspan was warned to do this in 2003 and chose instead to let the free market regulate itself. Between predatory lenders(pigs)and street level con artists the crisis was born. Wall street greed fueled the flames by buying bundles of this worthlss paper and selling it to investors all over the world.The US has to assure the rest of the world and the country itself that we are interested in sound market principles and are not relying on the wolves to watch the chicken house. "

Debry wrote on January 23, 2008 2:35 pm:
" Both economists missed the impact on Construction, particularly homebuilding. This will impact sales of durable goods. Finance and Real Estate sectors and their staff will be affected. Nebraska's economy lags behind the nation but the downturn will be felt across the state. "

cut up the plastic wrote on January 23, 2008 6:49 pm:
" live within your means. don't worry about what the neighbors have. "

whatever wrote on January 24, 2008 6:01 am:
" If you look at the number of live births in this country in the 1970's and 1980's and compare to the births between 1946 and 1964 you will see a huge discrepency. There is NO WAY we can finance Social Security, Medicare and Bush's prescription drug plan at current levels without raising taxes and reducing spending. In addition the banking industry needs to be heavily regulated to ensure confidence in that sector. Further, as best we can we need to BUY AMERICAN more than ever to support our local and national economies. The media is really sugarcoating what is happening economically in this country. Some of the sugarcoating is pure economic ignorance, some of it is to avoid panic. Also, take with a grain of salt what the Federal Reserve, The Federal Government and your local economists are telling you about the state of the economy. Many "average Joe's" who live in the real world and keep themselves educated have seen this coming for at least 2 if not 3 years. This recession will severely impact Nebraska as business's are forced to scale back, consolidate or move to more "business friendly" environments. At the state level I would be looking at using much of the budget surplus to induce companies to come to Nebraska or induce local individuals to start up or expand their business. The latter being the more desirable approach. Also keep in mind that Merrill Lynch sees price declines in the housing market through at least 2010. This seems more realistic than what the "rose colored glasses" of your average realtor will tell you, my experience most of them are way out of touch with reality. Up next, the fall of commercial real estate(Lincoln is seeing that already), the decline of farmland values, the collapse of the mortgage insurance business, unemployment rates of 8 to 10 percent and taxpayer revolts. Might be a good time to study the WPA of the 1930's. It's a good way to keep people busy and improve infrastructure. "

What wrote on January 24, 2008 7:25 am:
" A recession, give me a break, our city council and the memeber of the 2015 group do not believe we are headed for a recession, so we probably aren't, or are we, or do we know, or could we be, well, I don't know, will we be, cnn that happen here. Stay tuned as the soga continues. HMMM! "

Hank is Right wrote on January 24, 2008 10:56 am:
" If I read Hank's note correctly, he is not calling for higher taxes, like some would want you to believe, just to stop listening and voting for every politician who is selling a giant tax cut as their main platform. None of these guys ever say what they will cut out of services, just they will cut taxes. And I wouldn't be so quick to use Ronald Reagan as an example of fiscal conservatism. Look at how much more he spent, and how much larger our deficit was during his tenure. Same with Bush. He claims to be a fiscal conservative, yet he spends money like he has tons of it ... oh wait ... he does. Unfortunately we don't. I am tired of the no tax ninnys only looking at tax cuts, and not offering real answers in what will you cut in services? "

Dano wrote on January 24, 2008 1:30 pm:
" Be prepared, you should always have something socked away for the just in case. And do what you can to oay off your debts, while you can. Make every dollar count, but don;t forget to live. "

Rethinking Money wrote on January 24, 2008 4:48 pm:
" One of my favorite quotes..."People buy things don't want with money they don't have to impress people they don't like." It's quite simple...but live within your means, pay your taxes, go to work, end of story. I don't need to blow 500 bucks at the mall on a bunch of junk to prevent a recession. "

Herb wrote on January 24, 2008 6:21 pm:
" The economy in Nebraska is a poor rural economy. There has never been a boom here so there can not be an economic bust. We are in a sort of perennial recession with the exception of the farmers getting a bio fuel break now. Lincoln has always been a town of poor folks and that will never change. We just are not a California economy. "