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Letters, 9/29: Where was outrage then?

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Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 - 12:19:18 am CDT

I am saddened and angered by the Senate passing a GOP resolution to repudiate the MoveOn.org ad against Gen. David Petraeus. 

Where was the outrage when delegates to the 2004 Republican National Convention wore Band-Aids with purple hearts on them? 

Where was the outrage at the right comparing a disabled veteran, Democratic Sen. Max Cleland, to a terrorist in 2002? 

Where was the outrage when this president’s response to attacks on U.S. troops was “Bring them on!”? 

We would be foolish not to question what this administration and those who work for them are telling us. Since it has been shown over and over again that they have fudged the facts, have been less than honest, have not been completely candid — oh, come on, we’ve been lied to. 

Or, as Bush would say: “Fool me once, shame on, umm, me. Fool me; won’t get fooled again.”

Beverly Enyeart, Lincoln

Hypocritical on tolerance

It’s time to end the faux holier-than-thou attitudes of Ernie Chambers and Neal Obermeyer. Both rail against discrimination toward homosexuals and minorities, yet they hypocritically display similar intolerance toward churchgoers specifically and repeatedly.

Believers sometimes betray their religion and object of worship through their oxymoronic actions, but to group all churchgoers with right-wing firebrands such as Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson is far too simplistic. And assigning the blame for such extremists to God is nothing short of blasphemy.

Certainly a cartoon depicting the prophet Muhammad acknowledging all his followers as terrorists and warmongers would never get printed, and for good reason.

However, trash like Obermeyer’s cartoon gets circulated frequently. And the attempt by Chambers to “sue” God for whatever purposes embarrasses this state. This is the real world, not fanciful television shows like “Ally McBeal” or “Boston Legal.”

Jesus said those without sin may cast the first stone in condemning others. Fortunately, no one — not churchgoers, religious extremists, nor Messrs. Chambers and Obermeyer — belongs to this category.

Jared Gibson, Lincoln

Keep the fair where it is

I am a senior citizen and have been going to the State Fair every year since I was a baby, with the exception of two years that I was in the service and five years that I had moved out of state. I have always enjoyed the fair and think that it should stay right where it is.

University of Nebraska-Lincoln Chancellor Harvey Perlman should not have a voice or vote in the matter, as he has a conflict of interest. The ground the fair is on is state ground and not university ground. Perlman should resign from the Fair Board.

The university already has stretched east to 21st and Holdrege streets. If Perlman wants to connect the two campuses, let him go on down Holdrege Street another mile and he will be there. Leave the State Fair where it is.

Dale Van Dusen, Lincoln

Education, guaranteed

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke thinks Americans need to continually learn and grow, enhancing their educations well into their careers.

Bravo! Now, let’s publicly fund that. Unfortunately, the focus on education is subsidizing higher education for undergraduates at increasingly expensive institutions. What we end up with is a lot of debt-ridden graduates in their 20s and 30s.

Instead, what we need is a guarantee that classes any person — at any age — takes are priced at community college rates and will be paid for, so long as the student passes the class.

Let’s let the high-priced colleges go their own way, and create lifelong learning programs that America can afford in the long run. 

Scott Wesely, Lincoln


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Wm. Morris wrote on September 29, 2007 6:42 am:
" Hey Jared, I don't see any intolerance for "churchgoers". I think you are off mark on that. Now if you are talking about Christians (or religion) that tries to ram it's doctrine (or it's interpretation of it's doctrine) down the throats of everybody else as it it's the law of the land, well yes, I can see that there would be some intolerance to such behavior. As for the regular, everyday variety of "churchgoers", I don't think intolerance is an issue. It's that handful of people, who proclaim to be Christians while condemning what other people do and believe that bump up against intolerance. And thanks God for that. "

DM wrote on September 29, 2007 8:24 am:
" Maybe Neal is more just critical of those Christians that we see so often... you know those ones that hold up the crosses on street corners by the movie theatres, or the ones writing letters about how horrible homosexuality is, you know, those loud visible ones who give us all a really bad impression as a whole. Maybe the comment is made toward those christians who would show up to God's court hearing with those very signs... maybe. Anyway, in a country in which 76.5% (159 million) citizens identify themselves as christians, I think you're going to make it. "

Get a GRIP! wrote on September 29, 2007 9:24 am:
" People who "know" the mind of God never fail to amaze me. If you truly want to get a glimpse of God, you MUST go to the Bible to read and study, instead of putting your own interpretation/spin on God's word. Unfortunately, people use the Bible to try to preach tolerance of their own lifestyle or belief, then say that Jesus would have held the same view! What a sham that is! God's ways are not ours, nor are our ways, His. Those who demand 'tolerance' do NOT show tolerance for any other point of view, then they whine, complain, and throw in a few derogatory names toward those who they "judge" to be intolerant while demanding that Christians not judge them! If you want tolerance, then be tolerant of the opinions and beliefs of others - it is not a difficult concept people! Mr. Morris - if you do not see intolerance for "churchgoers" you must be living in a hole! "

stignob wrote on September 29, 2007 9:42 am:
" No the left doesn't ram down the throats of what the they deem moral or their socialist policies. There's no right and wrong it's what ever they make up at any given time to suite their agenda. "

Lindsay wrote on September 29, 2007 11:15 am:
" I like being able to think critically. Therefore, a lot of the Christian groups don't really suit me well. I did think that there would be a good number of people who don't quite "get" Neil's cartoon (though I don't think there could possibly be anyone on earth who "gets" Ernie). The cartoon points out that Jesus was inclusive of those on the fringe...he let the tax collector sit at the table next to him, and a prostitute wash his feet. I never remember reading Jesus pointing fingers and being judgmental. And that is the hypocrisy of a fair number of Christians folks. "

DM wrote on September 29, 2007 11:21 am:
" The left doesn't have right and wrong because they aren't all trying to turn this country into a Christian Theocracy like so much of the Christian Right is doing? Oh, my bad. I guess I misunderstood what the definition of morals is. "

to Beverly wrote on September 29, 2007 12:44 pm:
" When I listen to Shawn Hannity on the radio (I don't know why I do that) - I hear him spend half his day justifying despicable behavior on the right by pointing out what he thinks is a double standard based on past doings by the left. It's a cop out, and I don't like when he doesn't, and it doesn't feel right when you do it in your letter. No more excuses from either side would be my preference. I'm sick of it. Rush's Limbaughs recent comments about "phoney" soldiers criticing the Iraq war, or O'Reilly's comments about eating in a Harlem eatery are not excused or lessened because Moveon.org put out a tasteless add. Let's tone down the rhetoric - which I know won't happen for the radio talking heads because that is how they are getting rich. "

Zoomie wrote on September 29, 2007 2:02 pm:
" Where is the Congressional condemnation of Rush Limbaugh, who a few months ago labeled a sitting U.S. Senator "Senator Betrayus"? And this last week proclaimed that those US soldiers who have been critical of Bush or the war, are just "phoney soldiers"! Even the ones who've died, Rush? Like two of the five active duty soldiers, then serving in Iraq, who wrote an anti-war op-ed in the NYTimes two months ago and who were killed a week later? You're saying soldiers who have died for their country are "phoney soldiers"?!?! Where is the condemnation of Fox News, who just this morning ran headlines saying "Our Generals Are Betraying Our Soldiers" (the Generals being those who have criticized Bush's incompetence and waste of US lives and wealth). Lets face it - its only an outrage when liberals say anything remotely critical of the military, but conservatives can say anything, anytime, about anyone in the military (past or present) and thats OK! IOKIYAR! "

you get a grip wrote on September 29, 2007 3:24 pm:
" Christians don't have a monopoly on God. Lots of people are totally at peace with their God and your Bible doesn't affect their lives in any way. Your insistence that it should only makes you look ...well, intolerant. If you're proselytizing, you're not doing a very efficient job. If you are not, maybe you should ask yourself exactly what it is that you ARE doing. "

Mindless Robot wrote on September 29, 2007 3:26 pm:
" Wait for the reaction of the Right when Hannity's, "Freedom Concerts" are exposed as a scam. Although Hannity is raising money, wait until you see how very little is getting to the intended target. A show in San Diego had a flyer at the gate that said 4 Dollars of a 40 Dollar ticket goes to the Freedom Alliance. Now after the, "overhead" from the Freedom Alliance is taken from that 4 dollars, far less gets to the actual Scholarship fund. Guess who founded the Freedom Alliance? Why it's Fox Employee Oliver North. This story will be breaking soon. "

RJ wrote on September 29, 2007 4:19 pm:
" Whre is the outrage. Wake up, Read the Republican noise machine. All the New media is owned, ran by the GOP. They say just enough to make it sound liberal. Wake up you peope. "

Mindless Robot wrote on September 29, 2007 4:38 pm:
" Oh, by the way, Mark Udall D-CO will be introducing a resolution condemning Rush on Monday. "

Tolerance wrote on September 29, 2007 9:47 pm:
" It does seem funny that those on the left who claim to be the most tolerant, are in fact the most intolerant of those who do not agree with them. The politics of personal destruction, the kill the messenger politics of our brothers on the left. If Bush said the sky was blue, the instant hue and cry from the left would be that it is actually blue/green and Bush is an idiot. The Grape vs Strawberry arguement factory we have in this country aiming to divert from the real issues facing America is laughable. Make sure you rally against the Christian Right, but remmember the opposite issue here, the growing Radical Islamic belief, where most of the lefts agendas and personnel will be the first targets of this religious cleansing if and when they win thier war against the infidel. Individual achievement vs Governmental Dependance is the true agenda, ask any Indian Reservation how well governmental dependance actually works. "

Trust but Verify wrote on September 29, 2007 10:17 pm:
" Please check the transcripts from the Rush Limbaugh Show referencing the "phoney soldier". There is no statement comparable to the "General Betrayus" comment from Move-on and the Soros Propaganda Machine. So before the left falls all over itself to condemn a non-incident verify the facts. "If reporters had bothered to check the transcripts and audio at RushLimbaugh.com, or even to call the EIB Network for comment, they wouldn't look like such fools. Rush was talking about phony soldier Jesse MacBeth. MacBeth portrayed himself as a decorated Iraq war veteran who opposed the war. Since "Corporal" MacBeth fit the left's anti-war template, the Drive-By Media lapped up his lies. The truth? Mr. MacBeth was just sentenced to five months in jail for being...a phony soldier. MacBeth never served in Iraq, never won a Purple Heart, never reached the rank of corporal, was never an Army Ranger -- and therefore never could have witnessed war crimes against Iraqi civilians as he claimed. In fact, MacBeth washed out of Army boot camp after 44 days." Please feel free to fall on your swords "

45,000 wrote on September 29, 2007 10:30 pm:
" If Bush said the sky was blue I think a ticker tape parade would be in order for the first thing he's gotten right. "the growing Radical Islamic belief" Gee, why do you think it's growing? Oh yeah, for the 45,000 time, normal people understand the difference between terrorism and invading and occupying Iraq. I also don't share your your irrational fear of the boogeyman. By the way, your "I thought Liberals were supposed to be tolerant" slogan is a strawman argument setup by Fox and A.M. radio. I'm fairly Liberal and I'm highly intolerant of Republicans driving our country straight into the mud. "

Think a second wrote on September 29, 2007 10:53 pm:
" I think tolerance used the refences in the way media hypes thier agendas, not as stated republican "facts". He is trying to show how context can be viewed in any way desired to get any response required. And I do believe 45,000 hit the trip-wire and fell into the trap. Just for grins and giggles define "ending the war" or "winning a battle" depends on which side you are on in this arguement also, American's will view it as the end of the war, the current opponent(s) will see it as another win against the infidel, think a second other than as an American. "

Gets Ernie wrote on September 29, 2007 10:58 pm:
" To "get" Ernie, you just need to know he pushes to the far extreme to get what he wants that may be more centered. The whole thing with the suing God accomplished exactly what he wanted. We will never know how many, for lack of a better word, stupid legislative bills he has saved Nebraska from. "

Don wrote on September 29, 2007 11:18 pm:
" Zoomie, I listened to what Rush Limbaugh said and he absolutely did not say what you said he said. Perhaps you should try listening to him yourself instead of the liberal media who take everything he said out of context. "

Don wrote on September 29, 2007 11:23 pm:
" There is no right and wrong with liberals because they don't stand for anything. That way they think they can't be blamed for anything. They do this because they don't want to take responsibility for anything they do. They will tolerate anything except Christianity. They think that when Christians write in and express an opinion that is cramming their ideas down the throat of liberals. However, for liberals, calling Christians all kinds of names and criticizing them is not cramming their opinions and ideas down Christians throats. Go figure. Who can understand these people. "

Sue F. wrote on September 30, 2007 6:32 am:
" I do not trust I verify. I have personally listened to what Rush said re the "phoney soldiers.” First, he said soldiers, plural, therefore he was not talking about one person only. Second, he was responding to a caller who was complaining about the left pulling out the antiwar soldiers and the caller was searching for a word and Rush said "phoney soldiers" to help the caller out. Please try and be honest when you are accusing others of not knowing the truth. And to all those who want to believe and spread the lie that the left is anti-Christian. Most of my friends and family are both left-leaning and Christian. In fact a big part of why I am a democrat is because I am a Christian and I believe in what Jesus taught about loving my enemy, feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, and visiting those in prison. "

Zoomie wrote on September 30, 2007 10:58 am:
" Don, if you listen to Rush then you know perfectly well what he said one day can be totally reversed the next. So which version do you believe? And as Sue CORRECTLY points out, Rush's original comments on phoney soldiers was plural. Only days later did he start claiming he always meant one single person (MacBeth). And why would I read Rush's transcripts? Just last week he was caught changing them to delete things actually on the tapes of his shows?!?! HE IS A LIAR, PROVEN, DOCUMENTED!! And I notice no one claims he didn't call Hagel Senator Betrayus! Nor did anyone mention FauxNews' headlines yesterday accusing US Generals of betraying our soldiers! How is that ANY different than Moveon.org? Actually, I'll tell you how. Moveon.org did NOT accuse Petraeus of betrayal, they ASKED IF HE WAS. Look at the ad. It reads: "General Petraeus or General BetrayUs?" Note the question mark. Contrast to the right, who don't ask but state as facts when they are total lies (ie. the smear on Kerry or Cleland's documented war records...allowed when the right does it, but condemned by Congress when its implied by the left? Yeah, that's "fair and balanced")... "

Just an FYI wrote on September 30, 2007 5:07 pm:
" I would avoid any John Kerry war record statements, Under the UCMJ there is not statute of limitations on war crimes, and in his own words he admitted committing illegal actions under the Laws of Land Warfare, ie War Crimes, and can and should be prosecuted based on his admission, as he and others on the left target todays soldiers for war crimes in Iraq. Rush, Sean, Alex, Ed, pick a radio personality left or right, pander to thier sheep, and twist, contort, edit, whatever to ensure thier message is the truth, it is a form of entertainment plain and simple. And all media news is now more entertainment and propaganda than news, same effect parrot whatever agenda is set by the editors, producers etc and spin the news as required. And finally how and why does the "Religion of No-Relgion" have the ability to force others to believe thier permissive cultural beliefs are more tolerant than traditional Judeo-Christion religious beleifs, since they are just as intolerant of anyone who disagrees with thier belief. A joke....President Bush sees a drowning man in a Texas Lake, he actually walks out on water, lifts the man out of the water, and carries him to shore saving his life. The media will edit the story as "Bush can not swim out to save drowning man" and then edit out the rest for the agenda of the day. "

Catamount wrote on September 30, 2007 9:30 pm:
" As a current community college student and a UNL alumni, I endorse Scott Wesley's notion of making education more affoardable and portable and open to all. Degreess from pricy colleges aren'talways the best route to fiscal stability. Student debt is adding to the disproportionate debt for the young. Our society is putting more debt on future generations and education must be more readily available so that debt can be serviced. "

Ryan wrote on October 1, 2007 9:13 am:
" ...Because there's no reason to be tolerant of the intolerant. "

Blasphemy???? wrote on October 3, 2007 9:59 pm:
" I always find it interesting when people accuse others of blasphemy. Who cares?!!! If you insult my god, no big deal, because it doesn't affect how I feel about God. If I insult your god, it shouldn't be a big deal either. Be comfortable enough with your personal beliefs to take a few jabs. Blasphemy is not illegal anymore. We should be allowed to say whatever we want about anyone's god whether it be a christian, jewish, or muslim god. Even if Niel's cartoons were portraying a Christian god in a negative way (which i don't think they were) I think they should still be printed, just like I think images of Mohamed should have been printed in newspapers a while back. We can't censor ourselves out of fear of "blasphemy." I can't believe people still use that word. It should have died off in the middle ages. "