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BY DEENA WINTER / Lincoln Journal Star

Sunday, Aug 26, 2007 - 12:08:54 am CDT

Jon Camp remembers exactly what time it was — 12:15 in the morning.

He and the rest of the Lincoln City Council had listened to hours of testimony about whether the city should keep its ambulance service privatized or let the fire department take it over.

And then, at 15 minutes after midnight, the councilwoman next to him, Coleen Seng, reached into her purse, pulled out a crumpled piece of paper and read it: “I hereby move that the city take over the ambulance service.”

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Niles Ford

The city hasn’t stopped talking about its firefighters and ambulances since that 4-3 council vote in 2000.

On paper, the firefighters’ proposal to take over the ambulance service looked good, said Camp, a businessman. Except for one fatal flaw: “They don’t know how to run a business.”

His opposition to the takeover- and frequent criticism of Lincoln Fire & Rescue since — has made him a pariah among firefighters.

Firefighters may have won the battle, but the war seems to have no end in sight. Entering the fray soon will be the city’s new fire chief, Niles Ford, named Friday by Mayor Chris Beutler. He begins Oct. 1.

Since the voter-approved takeover, the ambulance service has lost more than $1 million and owes the city more than $1 million, although this year it began to pull itself out of the red with the help of substantial rate increases.

Camp still keeps a pro-privatization yard sign in his Haymarket Square office. Featuring the image of a Rural Metro ambulance, the red and blue sign urges people to “VOTE YES.”

Camp is thinking about having the sign framed.

He’s never been shy about questioning how much the city spends on firefighters, paramedics, fire stations and firetrucks.

The way he sees it, improved building construction and codes and sprinkler systems and fire prevention have reduced the number of fires nationally, so the city ought to scale back spending.

He says we don’t need as many fire stations and firefighters as we used to. We send gas-guzzling, quarter-million-dollar firetrucks to minor incidents when a couple of paramedics would do. We put too many firefighters on each firetruck.

Indeed, statistics provided by the fire department show the number of fires in Lincoln has dropped 78 percent since 1978, despite the city’s growth, while the number of fire department employees has increased 24 percent.

It’s time to reduce staffing on firetrucks to three firefighters, Camp says. “They over-deploy personnel and equipment.”

This year during budgeting, he planned to propose a $500,000 cut to the fire department. By the time he made a formal motion, he’d reduced it to $250,000. Ultimately, he compromised to $100,000, but that was still enough to incense his fellow councilmen, Dan Marvin and Jonathan Cook.

They accused him of proposing deep cuts because he’s had a vendetta against the department since his side lost the ambulance battle.

Before it was over, Camp was calling for an apology from Cook for his “tirades” and threatening to have him censured by the council.

He won’t get one. Cook says that until this latest “crazy cut” proposal, he tried to hold his tongue when Camp made controversial statements.

“He’s said many outrageous things,” Cook said. “Usually, most of us ignore those things. We just say, ‘Well, that’s Jon Camp being Jon Camp.’ But it reaches a point where it is having a real effect on the fire department and the policies of the city. I think it’s irresponsible language.”

He and Camp were both elected in 1999, and Cook says Camp has been on a mission to tear down the fire department since the ambulance takeover.

“It’s nearly eight years later since that vote. I guess I’m wondering, ‘Does he ever move on?’”

Councilman says it’s his job to ask questions

Firefighters may be among the most beloved public servants nationwide, but Camp has not been shy about questioning everything from their salaries and benefits to work schedules, their fitness program, grocery shopping, work injury claims and their roles during national emergencies.

Over the course of a two-hour interview last week, he expressed disdain over a recent situation in which a fire captain on sick leave recovering from a broken collarbone rode a bicycle across the state as a tribute to the department’s fitness program.

He lamented multiple costly work injury claims by firefighters who got hurt while lifting weights or playing basketball or volleyball.

He mentioned that firefighters’ schedules give them so much time off they often have second jobs. He noted the department tried to get a new fire station built by falsely claiming the Airport Authority was evicting them.

“I was taught in law school to ask questions,” Camp said, “and that’s what I do.”

Cook says Camp cherry-picks such incidents to embarrass the department. Rather than address the issue with city officials, Cook says, Camp rants and raves to the media.

Fewer firefighters per truck

Camp has a lot of opinions about the fire department. Among them:

* The city should stop using “1890 methods” to fight fires.

* Not all calls require a cavalry. He questions the need for so many fire and ambulance personnel to respond to certain calls. He says people sometimes remark on the high number of firefighters that respond to minor incidents.

* Car fires could be doused by police officers or firefighters using fire extinguishers.

* Firetrucks should carry three firefighters, rather than the four recommended by national guidelines and preferred by the department.

*  The fire department is proud of the fact that 22 percent of 134 cardiac arrest patients were revived by Lincoln firefighters/paramedics last year and survived. But Camp suggests the city devotes too many resources toward saving these people, considering “80 percent are dead-on-arrival.”

* When fire officials warn that fewer resources would hurt response times and endanger people, Camp has been known to say things such as, “Life is fatal.”

* The city should have the flexibility to try having firefighters work, say, 12 hours during which they do not sleep rather than the 24-hour shifts now used. Perhaps some stations could be closed for 12 hours a day, he says.

It’s time to face the facts, Camp says: “We don’t have fires today.”

Of 646 fires in Lincoln last year, he says, 20 to 30 were major fires.

“Buildings are made much better,” he says.

Fire union chief defends department

Dave Engler, head of the local firefighters union, said the number of fires is down nationally, but the number of structure fires has remained relatively steady in Lincoln, and this year property losses because of fires are up considerably — in part due to a large church fire.

Engler may agree with Camp’s assertion that the fires that do occur are usually caused by human recklessness. “There are three causes of fire: men, women and children,” Engler said.

But fires today are much more dangerous than years ago, he says, because buildings are more lightweight and fires burn more rapidly.

“We have less time to put them out before construction failures,” Engler said.

He says he has offered to show Camp what firefighters do.

“I’d love to be able to show him why we do what we do and what we do, but every time we’ve invited him, he’s failed to show up. He doesn’t want to know the facts.”

Rather than staff fire stations full force 24 hours a day, Camp says the city should use “system status management” to allocate resources. Calls are prioritized so if workers are busy with a true emergency, “somebody with a broken leg can sit there for two hours,” he said.

“We’re sending nuclear bombs to squash molehills in some cases.”

Engler says the city already does that. And he notes that people who call 911 expect good service.

“The fire department is an insurance policy. You hope you never have to use it, but we’re there if you need it. When you call, you want an adequate level of service.”

Role of firefighter is changing across country

Even if there are fewer fires, every major city needs a fire department with enough strategically located stations to get firefighters to house fires within eight minutes in order to rescue people. You might as well get your money’s worth and have those firefighters fill multiple roles, including emergency medical service, Engler said.

Camp has called the fire department “an ambulance service that occasionally fights a fire.” Indeed, many fire departments have evolved into emergency responders who deal with hazardous materials, explosions, accidents of all kinds.

That’s why not long after the fire department took over the ambulance service, it changed its name to Lincoln Fire & Rescue.

“We’re not an ambulance service that occasionally fights fires,” Engler said. “We’re an emergency service organization.”

A fire engine and ambulance respond to 911 calls because there are more fire engines and stations in Lincoln than ambulances, and they can get there faster.

Fire engines are staffed with at least one paramedic, and they have an average response time of 3.2 minutes. Interim Fire Chief Danny Wright says that number is creeping up because the city is growing. The national guideline is 4 minutes or less.

Engler says it’s not unusual for fire engines to respond to medical incidents. “That’s the way it’s done all over the United States.”

However, some cities are trying to cut costs by finding other ways to avoid sending trucks and ambulances to minor incidents.

Firefighter unions often fight attempts to staff firetrucks with fewer than four firefighters by citing the National Fire Protection Association’s standards for fire and ambulance deployment, which recommend a minimum of four.

They usually don’t mention that the standards were the result of an unprecedented six-year push by the International Association of Fire Fighters. Members of the fire union joined the NFPA — whose members included fire chiefs, consultants, manufacturers, legislators and architects — in huge numbers and packed the 2001 NFPA annual meeting with members from across the country and Canada, providing more than enough votes to sweep the standards into passage.

So many attended that it set a record for the largest meeting of IAFF union members at any event in the union’s 84-year history.

Critics said the union was just trying to create more jobs and union members, but the IAFF said it would save the lives of both firefighters and citizens.

Even with the standards — which provide ammunition for lawsuits if firefighters are killed in the line of duty — the role of firefighters has evolved as fires become fewer.

Camp says the fight to take over Lincoln’s ambulance service is playing out in other cities. Firefighters often promise — as they did in Lincoln — to deliver the ambulance service “better, faster, cheaper.”

It’s all part of the union’s legislative agenda to keep firefighters’ jobs secure, Camp says. He says the fire union uses age-old scare tactics everywhere to protect jobs, claiming cuts will endanger firefighters and citizens.

It’s all a smoke screen, he says, to obscure the real issue: We don’t need as many firefighters as we used to. But understandably, they want to hold onto their jobs.

Which, by the way, he adds, are very good, high-paying jobs. Lincoln firefighters make an average of more than $56,000 a year. So many people want the jobs, Camp says, that applicants fill The Cornhusker ballroom when there are openings.

Engler notes that while a recent Omaha study indicated Lincoln firefighters are well-paid, it didn’t take into account the entire compensation package. He said the union enforces contracts and tries to ensure that Lincoln provides the same level of service other cities do.

“We’re not looking to grow our membership, we’re not looking to save jobs,” Engler said. “It’s based on the need of the community.”

The union head notes that despite Camp’s considerable ability to get his message out — particularly on local like-minded radio shows — he hears little of that rhetoric when he’s wearing the badge on the street.

Most people are very grateful when he shows up.

“Obviously, he’s got an issue with the fire department,” Engler said of Camp. “He doesn’t believe that public employees should have a say in politics. Councilman Camp has created a perception that we are more than what we are. He wants to make it look like we’re running the city.”

Reach Deena Winter at 473-2642 or dwinter@journalstar.com.


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omg wrote on August 26, 2007 12:52 am:
" Mr. B must be looking for special interest votes when he runs for govenor or congress. This was not a good choice. "

STOP wrote on August 26, 2007 1:33 am:
" This shows that Jon Camp has 1 thing and 1 thing only on his chopping block. The firefighters! Come on, NO other city in the US critizes there public service professionals as Jon Camp does. Give it up. You pay more a year for a $50\mo home internet connection than you pay for ALL city services. ($150,000 assesed house) LFR then gets 14 cents of that. Look as the fire at the greek house last year, a tragidy in it's self... But LFR saved 20 some lives that night. Some by the actions of the firefighter\paramedics in the fire and some by the highly trained firefighter\paramedics who were on the ambulances that night. Just ask there familys, just ask the DR's that took care of the kids. It's time for all of us who have the potential to be a unfortionate customer of LFR's services to speak up and do it LOUDLY! This crazy over zealous witch hunt has to be stopped! "

Tisdale wrote on August 26, 2007 2:31 am:
" Well, this new Fire Chief should be what the doctor ordered. He has no longstanding allegiances and should be able to judge how Lincoln can cut the fat if need be. It may be hard to tinker with a system that has one of the best response times in the country, but at least a guy from another state can provide some perspective on how things work in other parts of the country. I expect that Jon Camp should be pleased, and so am I. "

Chris wrote on August 26, 2007 4:32 am:
" Camp needs to understand that there are jobs where people get paid for what they might have to do and not what they do. The national standards for Engine Company staffing is 4 or more Fire Fighters for a reason, they may have to search the structure and rescue ocupants. as far as the still using the 1890 methods, well they seem to work. Yes FDNY lost 343 members in one morning but you have to remember they have been using the "Bums Rush" method since the 1800's and have a pretty good record with it. I don't know about you but if I am in a burning building the more people they send after me the better. I also do not think it is up to the city councilman to decide how long people can wait for the Fire Department, please remember when it's your emergency it is the worst moment of your life no matter if your injured bad or not so bad. The Lincoln Fire Department is doing a fine job, let them do it. "

Cole wrote on August 26, 2007 7:29 am:
" Ironic that Camp believes the "fatal" flaw of fire and ambulance emergency services is that "they don't know how to run a business". I think most would agree that a much more "fatal" flaw with regard to life-and-death emergencies would be to make fiscal efficiency a priority over effectiveness. It's that age-old mind set: "My money is more important than your life." "

Cooperate wrote on August 26, 2007 7:55 am:
" Camp is at a political crossroad on the fire department issues. Simply put if he continues to do nothing but complain when a new leader is trying to change things, then he will demonstrate what most know-he is no leader, he just likes to "ask questions". Sometimes the continued rhetoric reminds me of a high school junior who has no way to be popular other than to be politically or socially obstinate. "

RickB wrote on August 26, 2007 9:03 am:
" What will it take to put the ambulance issue to bed? If I remember correctly, Rural Metro had poor response times in some parts of the city. The 1st goal was to attain reasonable response times in all areas of the city, that would take more personnel and more equipment. From the reports we have met our primary goal. In addition the rules around billing for medicare had changed (I believe some subsidies went away). So the city took a loss there also. Rural Metro would have had to deal with this issue also, and probably would have raised their rates. Also, if you have noticed Rural Metro's rates have gone up in the cities they currently serve. So Jon, either come up with true FACTS and FIGURES or drop it already!!! As they say in the real world Jon “Go Big or Go Home!” P.S. I am personally thrilled that I could have a firefighter/paramedic at my doorstep at moments notice. Keep up the GREAT work LFD! "

John wrote on August 26, 2007 9:18 am:
" I would like to know why Camp defends Rural Metro, did he have money invested in them? I remember when Rural Metro was trying to get lower there response time before the public vote on the ambulance service, they would position an ambulance at 33rd & O and other corners around town. You can't tell me they would have kept this practice up if they had won the contract. I think you could call this creative math with response times by having two paramedics and an ambulence sit in Jiffy Lubes lot waiting all night for a call to make their response time look good. "

ANS wrote on August 26, 2007 10:00 am:
" I'm going to have to side with Camp on this one. He has never said the entire system is flawed and that everything has to be changed. He's simply pointing out there are many areas for improvement. Case in point, I was shocked when my daughter had a head injury and between the firefighters and ambulance staff that responded,there were 9 men in our living room. Don't get me wrong I appreciate their public service, but in that situation it was unnecessary. (Not to mention frightening for my children) Mr. Camp may be outspoken and overbearing at times but it's the squeaky wheel that eventually gets the job done. "

Edgar Pearlstein wrote on August 26, 2007 10:15 am:
" What does Camp propose to do about the ambulance issue, besides continue to carp on it? "

Are you joking wrote on August 26, 2007 10:27 am:
" To get the record straight LFR did not save 20 lives at the frat house. Were do you people get your numbers from. Get real and lets get a real fire ept that cares more for the people they serve then their 2nd jobs. "

Gene Debs wrote on August 26, 2007 10:41 am:
" Hasn't anyone noticed the outrageous and radical comments by Camp? "Life is fatal." We shouldn't be sending resources out when more than 80% of the afflicted are dead on arrival? Are you kidding me? Maybe we shouldn't have the Red Cross training folks in CPR, because lets face it, CPR doesn't always work. We could use that money to reduce property taxes. What a joke. I've always thought these Republicans put too much emphasis on possible tax increases vs gov services, but this is ridiculous. If Camp actually means the things he's said, he's about as out of touch as you can be. Where do you draw the line Jon? Is it worth it to pay another dime on your property tax if 50% of the victims were to live? Get real. These comments are reprehensible. This is what you get when business people think they can run Government. Gov isn't about making money, its about providing service. I'm guessing those 20% who aren't dead on arrival are pretty happy for the LFD service. Camp should be embarrassed. There is a difference between being pragmatic and advocating for reasonable and efficient government, and the kind of over the edge rhetoric that Camp has embraced. "

well wrote on August 26, 2007 10:56 am:
" ..maybe an outsider is what Lincoln needs as the people that are trying to run the show sure do not know what is going on! I hope the new chief knows what he is getting into....getting hired on in the middle of a battle can't be good! "

kfish wrote on August 26, 2007 11:01 am:
" As a concerned citizen and taxpayer i wonder what some council members are thinking, It is very obvious that Mr. Camp has a vendetta against the fire department over the ambulance issue lets see OVER 8 Years ago, I know several individuals who worked for Rural Metro who now work for the fire department and they all sya it was the best thing t ever happen, Mr Camp says he is not looking in the past but come on he keeps a yard sign still in his officce in regards to the voting on the ambulance issue 8 Years ago, it is also becoming very obvious that Mr. Camp does not understand how a fire department needs to function or the needs of the fire department, I look arround my home and cant find anything that wont burn, so if something would catch on fire my house would burn and I have children and I want someone here as fast as it can be if I of my family would become trapped, Stop Camp and lets make our city the best when people look at moving her, Mr. Camp use to be called the Watch Dog of the council, I believe he is now a rabid/viscious dog and should considermoving on as he is not doing the city any good by hs actions on the council. Thank you Mr. Cook for your supporting our firefighters and understanding the needs of our citizens of Lincoln. "

Doug wrote on August 26, 2007 11:25 am:
" The most stunning part of this whole article is Jon Camp sayng that the city devotes too many resources to saving cardiac arrest victims. Aren't the 22% who's lives were saved worth it? I hope Lincoln never gets to the point that they find it "acceptable" to put 30 or so lives at stake every year for the sake of saving a few tax dollars. If it is my family or friends I want to know that they were given the best possible chair to survive. Camp's comments are mindboggling "

John is wrong wrote on August 26, 2007 11:50 am:
" John you are wrong. I worked at Rural/Metro as a Paramedi. We were sitting at locations around the city because we began a process called system status management. It is what you guys on the fire dept need to do. It allowed us to cover the city and have better response times with fewer personell. When units were dispatched, we would go to different points and wait for calls. Data was assimilated and we had specific points to stay at to allow us to better respond to calls. Try to at least know what you are talking about before you post OK mr dancing bear. "

What wrote on August 26, 2007 11:51 am:
" nice "hit" piece on Jon Camp.I find it strange that all of the blogs on this page defend a town agency for doing it's job but is critical of a town councilman for doing his.The fact remains that then mayor Wesley lied,the fire union lied and the net result has been we'er paying for two ambulance services because LFD couldn't make any money shuttling old people from old folks homes to the hospital which they (LFD) claimed they could.They have not met the response time that they claimed they could in 2000, they have lost 3 to 4 million dollars.When you look at the political campainge contributions made by LFD to the current Mayor and every democrat town councilperson it is clear they have recieved their monies worth and the taxpayer is the ones getting shafted.Mr.Camp didn't oversell and under deliver ambalance service,Mr.Camp wasn't the engineer of the defective fire truck purchase,Mr Camp didn't have to close a firestation for a week last summer...so why not put the blame for this money pit where it belongs...with LFD! It seem to me that Mr.Camp has been the only honest voice during this whole LFD ripp-off and YOU blame him?? PLEASE! "

D.A. wrote on August 26, 2007 12:07 pm:
" I routinely agree with Mr. Camp, however, today he went way too far with his comments that "life is fatal" and that since 80% of cardiac cases are d.o.a., then 22% that live, don't justify paying for emergency service....wow! He crapped all over himself there! The measure of credibility and respect I held for Mr. Camp is now less after these senseless comments. What is to gain by saying such far-fetched things? In my opinion, he lost a lot today with these comments - I know I'm not going to listen to him anymore. "

ok-then let's have another election wrote on August 26, 2007 12:15 pm:
" One thing this story does not mention is the fire department failure to meet the response times for ambulances required in the city ordinance. Instead of boasting about response time LF&R is simply not getting the job done. That is a fact-an ‘inconvenient truth’ to coin a phrase. Also have any independent accountants verified the so-called turnaround of the finances? Several times over the past few years the city tried to portray the ambulance service as having turned a financial corner when in fact it was just a manipulation of #’s with the real losses being concealed. Printing a press release from the city as fact is superficial journalism at best. Perhaps it’s time we had another election on this issue and then have an RFP for an ambulance service provider. "

texas firefighter wrote on August 26, 2007 12:43 pm:
" i do believe mr camp has it right about unions trying to get more members for more dues. but trust me, 4 firefighters at a cpr call are much more effective than 3. 4 guys first in at a fire can do much more than 3. i will agree that we send too many units to minor calls but you still need those units in service to cover the city whether they are going to minor calls or not. when i started 20 years ago, we only went to life threatening emergencies. now we go anytime somebody has a cold. that has come about because the cities are afraid of getting sued. it would be cheaper to pay the lawsuits and save the apparatus wear and tear. i have been on a call where the person had a urinary tract infection. politics are a funny thing when it comes to the fire department. we spend millions on recruiting minorities and aren't allowed to go to the grocery store (even if we are driving by on the way back from a call) because it cost $1 for every mile we drive. firefighters are paid not for what they do, but for what they are willing to do. yes we sleep at work, but we also get up during the night to help people. "

texas firefighter wrote on August 26, 2007 12:48 pm:
" oh, i have been to enough car fires to know that not all fires can be put out by an extinguisher. plus, with all of the plastics in cars, we always us air packs to keep us from inhaling toxic gases. "

scary wrote on August 26, 2007 12:52 pm:
" Mr. Camp you have gone to far! Your attitude is dangerous, arrogant, and just plain wrong. "Car fires should be extinguished by cops with fire extinguishers." How many car fires have you put out with a fire extinguisher??? Have you ever even seen a car on fire? What about the person that's trapped in that car? Or their family? "80 percent dead-on-arrival." "Life is fatal." Is that how much you care about your constituents? "Closing fire stations for 12 hours." What? Don't fires happen at night? What about the fraternity fire at Wesylan? Common sense should tell you that the most deadly fires occur at night, when people are sleeping and unaware of what is going on in their homes. Doesn't really seem like a logical time to go to minimum staffing. "We don't have fires today." There were 646 fires in Lincoln last year. Maybe the reason that several of those fires were not major is the fact that LFD got on scene quickly and extinguished the fires before they became major. Yes the Fire Department should be run as efficient as possible but Lincoln, we're getting a great deal for our dollar and when you decide that it's more important to run the Fire Department like a buisiness, don't expect the same, high level of service that we've grown accustomed to. "

Corky Wilson wrote on August 26, 2007 1:15 pm:
" Good luck Chief Ford. I truly believe you will do a great job. But, you have inherited a gossiping group worse than a hen house, who have been leaderless for over a year. Throw in Jon Camp and the author of this piece and wow. "

Response wrote on August 26, 2007 1:45 pm:
" EMS inc a required 3rd party oversight committee requires 2 paramedics on all critical calls. The fire department has to obey this requirement. Due to shortage in staffing and the inability to cover all shifts due to budget constraints they sometimes have to have a 2nd fire engine come to provide the second paramedic. Thus 9 people. This is a somewhat common situation. Also if another fire engine\truck is out of there area (for training, returning from another call ect...) and are closer to a call they respond along with the unit who's area it is. This is done ONLY for the patient. Come on people get the facts. Oh then just how many people did LFR save or not save at the frat house? "

/doug wrote on August 26, 2007 2:53 pm:
" Frankly, anything Jon Camp questions, Cook & Marvin are right down his neck. Thats Camp's job. Good grief, try less people and see how it works! I also think Cook & Marvin are on a rampage to get people to step up and vote against Camp & do a smear job on him. The many times I go by the fire station on 84th street with a stop light there, I always think, boy that light never gets used much, I've never seen that fire truck coming or going and let always looks so dead I wonder if they sleep 24 hrs a day. Cook & Marvin are always the ones out there right ready to spend spend spend and watch them on TV they look like monkey see monkey do, and all they know is aye, aye aye aye. In other cities I've lived in I don't see 9 fire/medics for heart attacks etc. Yeah, and what about the frat house, I still can't believe one died! I also think Cook & Marvin add to & detract from alot of what Jon say & means. If its bad, call for a second fire truck. "

Common Sense wrote on August 26, 2007 3:49 pm:
" Doug, you need to get the facts and use some common sense. True, the station at 84th and Van Dorn isn't as busy as others. As an example is a medical or fire emergency happens in the Firethorn, Highmark, Vintage Heights, Fox Hollow, Edenton, Iron Gate, and as far north as SCC the next closest firefighter/paramedics and firefighter/emts to these homes are located at either Cotner & A, 48th & Claire, or Cotner & Vine. I would imagine the residents of these neighborhoods expect timely response. Maybe if Lincoln just stops building totally we can stop expanding our public services. "

Phoney Campo wrote on August 26, 2007 4:47 pm:
" You would think if Jon Camp was truly interested in fixing the ills of Lincoln fire that he would want to ride along and see what kind of work they are doing instead of arm chair quarterbacking. "

Broken Promises wrote on August 26, 2007 4:53 pm:
" What happened to the nice guy persona that Mr. Camp promised in his reelection? I guess a career politician will say anything to get reelected, just ask Hillary Clinton. "

STOP you better recalculate wrote on August 26, 2007 5:31 pm:
" I have a house assessed at $150,000 and I pay over $400.00 in taxes to the city..not the less than $50 you stated. "

Camp follower wrote on August 26, 2007 6:49 pm:
" I am a constituent of Jon's and past supporter, but no longer can I sit idly by and listen to his poisonous diatribe. I feel betrayed as a taxpayer and citizen of his district that he actually said the things that were printed in the above article. No one's life is worth waiting two hours for emergency service, even if it's "just a broken leg." I may be a wuss but I broke my little finger once, in football, and thought i was going to die! I can't fathom what a broken leg would feel like. No longer will I support a politician who seems to be on the verge of losing his mind with his comments and accusations toward the men and women of the fire dept.. The fact that I pay more per month for cable tv than I do for emergency service is ridiculous. Where was Jon when TimeWarner raised cable rates and provided no service. Hmmm...I wonder "

Anne wrote on August 26, 2007 8:11 pm:
" Best of luck to the new fire chief. The Lincoln politics, Camp vs. Cook, fire vs. police, fire vs. ambulance, Chief Ford has is 'dinners' set out for him. Sure hope that decisions discussed can be in the best interest for Lincoln. Stand and be strong! "

L300 wrote on August 26, 2007 8:25 pm:
" I don't agree with Jon Camp on much, but there are two issues here that he is right about. The ambulance service costs more than it did with Rural Metro. It could have been resolved if we had paid them a little more. We certainly are paying more now and always will. The other aspect is the level of staffing for firefighters. Every year the fire code becomes more complicated and expensive to build new buildings. We should see a reduction in staffing with new houses and commercial buildings. We are certainly paying more per square foot for safety features. Let's get real "

Suggestion wrote on August 26, 2007 8:25 pm:
" Sounds like Camp needs to 'ride' a firetruck. You never know until 'you walk in another's mocassins' "

Weary wrote on August 26, 2007 8:37 pm:
" According to STATE LAW, firefighters can be scheduled to work either 8 hour shifts or 24 hour shifts. 12 hour shifts are NOT available. I think the $50 reference was per month times 12 months = $600 for cable - and you said your taxes for the City were $400. That $400 covers fire, police, utilities, roads, libraries, public health, parks, etc... I'd say quite a bargain. Welcome to the new chief - give him a chance to move the fire department forward. Mr. Camp's comments about life is fatal is about as bad as the toenail comment a couple Mondays ago. "

David wrote on August 27, 2007 2:34 am:
" To the new Chief, I hope the feelings of "Uh-Oh" fade quickly and are replaced by the desire to meet this challenge head on. I do not envy your position, and I'm afraid politics will interfere with your main goal of saving lives. Lincoln is ripe for new leadership and new ideas. Goodspeed to you on the challenge that stands before you. "

Roger wrote on August 27, 2007 6:40 am:
" This ole drum is getting worn. Move on as I am sure Mr. Camp has, but I am not sure about MARVIN and COOK, they seem to have a thing about being stuck in a rut. Both act like teen agers who haven't grown up. I am surprised the great people of Lincoln put them in such a spot of responsibility. Neither are dry behind the ears. "

Hattie wrote on August 27, 2007 8:06 am:
" Camp is 100% on the money. Why would we have a system that fails on a daily basis. Rescue and Paramedics don't belong on our fire department. LET IT BE CALLED LINCOLN FIRE DEPARTMENT AGAIN!!!!!!!!! "

Take a Look wrote on August 27, 2007 8:53 am:
" Listen all, this is silly. Lets look at what works. EMS is not budgetarily to be part of Fire. Two seperate things. Most cities that run both have them seperated out, that is Mr. Engler the ones that don't go in the Red consistently. Seperate them out. Like Austin Tx. That is a system that works well and is accountable. Let the spin continue. "

response times not real... wrote on August 27, 2007 10:42 am:
" Let's get real. LFR's response times are not accurate. The time I believe starts when the call is dispatched and then stops when LFR arrives on scene. Arriving on scene should actually mean that they have arrived. Not pulling up around the corner or dowon the block...it should be when the engine stops and staff can get off and go to the emergency. So with that unless someone else can tell us all different...don't believe that LFR has one of the lowest response times in the nation. I as a city employee was on the scene where LFR was needed and I guraantee they didn't make the average or near it to arrive in less than 4 minutes. "

Rhonda wrote on August 27, 2007 10:53 am:
" Roger do you really beleive Camp has moved on, he still hangs that sign in his window that shows where his mind is. He continues to attack the LFR every chance he gets, year after year he questions their budget and procedures to death. He has one agenda and it is clear and has become an annoyance and distaction. Marvin and Cook are fighting for public saftey, Camp is just taking steps back, this city is growing and so are the public services. If Camp keeps cutting the budgets of the LFR how big of a catastrophe will have to happen to make him wrong at what he is doing. Public saftey whether it be LFR or LPD should not be compromised. "

nitemare wrote on August 27, 2007 11:51 am:
" In any business if something is not profitable you get rid of it. Why would the city operate any differently? Especially since it is our money that is being wasted. I bet the fire union will not like that as they would not be able to be comparable to the cities to which they are compared to now. We would save money by not having to fund the ambulance service, decrease the number of paramedics and other fire department employees, and decrease the amount spent on gas for the ambulances. "

Shane wrote on August 27, 2007 12:48 pm:
" Roger, I am amazed that the Democrats are the only one's who are not "dry behind the ears." After all you did accuse Emery of that the other day. You need to change your name to Republican Shill and then it won't matter if your facts are correct or incorrect. The fact is that Mr. Cook and Mr. Marvin did NOT object to the first 250 K reduction for the Fire Department budget. The DID object to the additional request for 250 K, 175K and the final 100K reduction because they had NOTHING to do with balancing the budget. Mr Camp's quotes from yesterday show his general lack of regard for the Lincoln Fire Department. "

Nina wrote on August 27, 2007 12:50 pm:
" Welcome to Lincoln, chief! "