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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 12:24:08 am CDT

Political ideals that form the core of any government speak of high and mighty things. Justice. Freedom. Equality. These are ideals that every American holds dear.

Last week, our state senators collectively refuted these ideals. A bill proposing an extension on a ban that covers discrimination in the workplace would have provided protection based on sexual orientation. As the law stands now, a Nebraska citizen can be fired from their job just because they are gay.

Why did senators believe that a ban was not needed for such a basic right?  Sen. John Harms from Scottsbluff rejected the bill because he believed that homosexuality was a choice.  I believe that each person is entitled to their own decision, but I am 100 percent sure that my orientation was not a choice. 

Also, the current ban covers religious affiliation. Since when was religious affiliation not a choice? Either some of our senators are missing the finer points in this matter, or they are purposely choosing to be discriminatory against the citizens they have been elected to represent.

The rejection of this bill makes me feel unwelcome in a state I consider to be my home. From people with jobs to those soon to be seeking them, many of us have no desire to be intimidated or to live in fear of losing our jobs for who we are. I don’t expect anyone to accept me for being gay. What I expect is for the law to provide the same level of justice, freedom and equality that every other citizen in our fair state is given.

Brian Gardner, Lincoln

Rapper’s dance degrades

Misogynist rapper coming to town! Rapper Akon will be joining Gwen Stefani at the Qwest Center in Omaha on June 4, known as the Sweet Escapes tour. Akon is a well-known rapper at the top of the charts. You cannot listen to pop radio stations without hearing his voice at least once every half hour.

However, a month ago Akon simulated sex with a 14-year-old girl on stage at a concert in Trinidad. The incident has been downplayed as him only dancing with a 14-year-old girl. Trinidad is not the only show Akon has done this at; he invites women on stage without ID to participate in a fake dance contest to dance in a way that simulates sex, then deems himself as the winner.

This practice, whether the women are of age or not, is humiliating, degrading and disgusting. I hope that if you have children attending this concert to consider these factors before sending them off on June 4.

I myself am a woman who enjoys hip-hop and rap, and I am saddened by this continued approval of misogyny. I did buy tickets to this concert for my husband and I, fourth row might I add, before I heard about this. I am disappointed that I spent money on a show I refuse to watch because I was not informed.

Isau J. Metes, Lincoln

Oil: Share the cash flow

Given the ongoing gasoline price spikes, and oil company profits increases soaring into the 40 percent-50 percent range, I think it would be appropriate for Texaco/Shell to reinstitute their sponsorship of the Saturday matinee radio broadcasts of the Metropolitan Opera and for Exxon/Mobil to again underwrite “Masterpiece Theatre” on PBS television.

I’m sure the cost of either endeavor would be no more than the annual salary of one of their mid-level executives. It would be a small outlay for these rapacious industrial gluttons while providing an enormous PR benefit for them in turn benefiting grateful listeners and viewers.

Jim Hejduk, Lincoln

Where’s anti-trust law?

Big Oil has such a stranglehold monopoly in the United States, apparently with full support from the White House, that they are able to control the supply; therefore they can demand whatever price they want from the American public.

Most Americans can’t quit their jobs to reduce gasoline consumption, and Big Oil would demand ever-increasing profits regardless of our consumption.

Conservative politicians and news reporters should realize that Big Oil is taking money out of all their constituents’ pockets, now.  Do we need to wait until 2008 to push anti-trust regulations?

Mike Stoakes, Lincoln

Opinions v. facts in class

John Gruhl (letter, May 23) writes that he tells his students that “everyone is entitled to his own opinions, but no one is entitled to his own facts.” What Gruhl was referring to was the letter from the student whose argument that there were or may have been WMDs in Iraq led to his paper being downgraded by the history teacher Michael Baker.

John Gruhl is saying the teacher was correct in downgrading the student because the student was questioning the “fact” that there were no WMDs in Iraq at the time of our attack (liberation?). Gruhl is arguing that it is a “fact” that there were no WMDs, not an “opinion.”

What Gruhl is doing is diametrically opposed to what he is espousing. He is calling his “opinion” a “fact,” and hence no one can disagree with it. That is a sad testimony to the teaching profession. But it is not surprising that he has been bred in the liberal or secular progressive mode, as so many of our teachers have been trained, especially at major universities.

So what are the facts? The liberal might say that it is a “fact” that there were no WMDs at the time of our invasion according to the weight of evidence that is substantial. The conservative might say that there are too many unknowns to establish that as a fact.

For example we know there were WMDs, so what happened to them? They could have been hidden or transferred to another nearby despotic regime. Until all the “facts” are established regarding this matter, it can only be said that to say there were no WMDs is a matter of “opinion,” not “fact.”

Unfortunately, what too many liberals (and all secular progressives) see as “facts” are really just their “opinions.” Teachers should understand that there is a multiplicity of views in this country, and to bear down on a student who is raising questions about what are questionable “facts” goes against the fair and balanced training of inquiring minds.

Wayne Simpson, Lincoln


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wow wayne wrote on May 30, 2007 1:00 am:
" What are you "FACTS" to back up that we know there were WMDS. You certainly don't cite anything other than your opinion. Fair and balanced is fine. But again, Wayne, where are you facts in backing these WMDS? Please, fill us in. Give us your cites. I would love to check the facts. "

Sarah wrote on May 30, 2007 3:32 am:
" If someone willingly goes on stage, they are no longer being "degraded". They full well what they are getting themselves into. "

Lindsay wrote on May 30, 2007 5:05 am:
" Ok Wayne, this is usually how professors at the University level work (and as reported, this is how Mr. Baker seemed to have as well): sometimes they disagree with you, but if you write a strong paper that represents your research and point of view well, it's not so much an issue. Could this former student have perhaps perceived his bad grade as being due to his political views instead of his writing and research skills? That is something that is "unknown" and we're just going on the hearsay of one person. Furthermore, universities are places where all opinions are welcomed - hence the name "university." Teachers should be taught critical thinking skills instead of dogma as you seem to subtly indicate in your letter. I hardly find most high school teachers in Lincoln or in the state entirely as pinko-commies indoctrinating children and carrying little red books. I hardly think that our children don't need any more exposure to conservative belief - they live in Nebraska, they have had plenty of exposure to it. Mr. Baker provided a different voice and a different way of thinking - one I might add, is shared in many places outside of Nebraska. It sounds like Mr. Simpson, that you too call for indoctrination of high school students - only a conservative, dogmatic and narrow kind. "

FreeThinker wrote on May 30, 2007 5:51 am:
" A quote from a different era: Liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves. -- Sen. John F. Kennedy, September 14, 1960 "

Shawn wrote on May 30, 2007 6:38 am:
" I'm surprised more rappers aren't disgusting and degrading during their shows. They'd have to be to keep up with their lyrics. "

Joe wrote on May 30, 2007 7:04 am:
" Unfortunately having an oil man as president and vice president we will not be getting anything done about the gas prices until MAYBE 2008, and that depends on how much of a bribe (campaign contribution) the oil companies give to the next politicians (legal crooks). And as I said yesterday, ENOUGH of the firing of the teacher, it's done and over so let it go already! Every day for the last two weeks is more than enough! How many times can you beat a dead horse??? "

B wrote on May 30, 2007 7:06 am:
" Methinks Wayne needs to come out of his FOX den & seek out some real news in order to become better informed. One would be led to think Wayne must moonlight at the White House as Bushy & Co. are the USA's lone rangers holding out for those mythical WMD's to appear. (Or maybe his retirement is invested in Halliburton stock??) As a side note Wayne; other news services (all of them, except FOX), have revealed that even the conservatives have figured out they were scammed. "

matt wrote on May 30, 2007 7:17 am:
" You cannot prove a negative. The only fact is that no WMD were found, not that there are no WMD. If the teacher lessened his grade simply because the teacher disagreed with the statement then he deserved to be fired. "

Sorry, Brian wrote on May 30, 2007 7:51 am:
" Yes, the rejection of the bill is completely embarassing. You are right, our representatives are choosing to be discriminatory against the citizens they have been elected to represent. "

Jody P. wrote on May 30, 2007 8:16 am:
" Regarding Mr. Simpson's letter, another option is to read the Iraq Survey Group reports (by Bush's chief weapons-hunters, David Kay and Charles Duelfer). They searched the entire country, they interviewed Iraqi scientists, they interviewed Iraqi politicians including Saddam himself, and they read through tons of Iraqi documents. And they concluded the weapons were all destroyed years before the invasion, and that they were NOT hidden or moved to other locations. And of course there is the option chosen by Mr. Simpson, which is to sit there decoding secret messages using his Sean-Hannity decoder ring. "

Gene Hogan wrote on May 30, 2007 8:22 am:
" Wayne, you forgot the possibility that Saddam hitched the WMDs up to his team of unicorns and hauled them down the rainbow highway to fairyland. "

Mike Honcho wrote on May 30, 2007 8:27 am:
" Brian, did you ever bother to contact your state senator, or did you just decide to write a letter to the editor instead? "

willing to wrote on May 30, 2007 8:52 am:
" It was a fake dance contest not a willing assault contest "

not all rap wrote on May 30, 2007 8:53 am:
" not all rap is disgusting, thats like saying all country is drunk bigamy, not true... "

ALW wrote on May 30, 2007 9:02 am:
" Seriously put a fork in the Michael Baker firing already...it's done! "

Greg wrote on May 30, 2007 9:03 am:
" There were at one time dinosaurs. We know that. But where are they now? It is only an OPINION if someone says that they are not living anymore. Maybe they were hidden under the sand. Maybe they were transferred to another despotic planet. Until we know for sure, demand that anyone who claims that dinosaurs are extinct acknowledge that this claim is an OPINION, not a FACT! But I say, let's teach the controversy! (I hope this clarified things a little bit in accordance with another letter we received today based upon this same premise) "

SRO wrote on May 30, 2007 9:19 am:
" Awesome letter Mr. Gardner; I completely and totally agree with you!!! How sad it is for Nebraska's citizens to be represented by such close-minded, bigotted, homophobes. "

Mike wrote on May 30, 2007 9:21 am:
" To all those who complain about Big Oil profits: wouldn't you be trying to make as much as you can if your product was a non-renewable resource that is running low? Plus, profit margins for oil companies are much less that the likes of credit card companies, Microsoft, etc. They make so much, because we purchase so much! Don't buy it if it pains you so much. We all have choices about where we work, where we live, what we drive, how many kids we have, etc... This all affects your oil consumption. Don't tell me you have no choice. "

Ponyboy wrote on May 30, 2007 9:26 am:
" Have you seen the video of Akon on the internet? It looks like a simulated rape of a young girl. Watch it and then decide whether you want your daughter attending the concert. If you still think it is OK, I feel sorry for your children. "

Hank wrote on May 30, 2007 9:50 am:
" ALW, of all the notes about the Baker firing, yours is the most ignorant and disgusting. Are your really saying that now that it happened, we should just close our eyes and let it be? That is precisely how fascist states come into being. We should never put a fork in the Baker case because Mr. Baker and the students of LPS clearly got forked. Wake up, ALW. There are ugly things happening in our country, and things keep getting worse precisely because of too many Americans with your lazy and irresponsible attitude. "

case wrote on May 30, 2007 10:10 am:
" You can check the facts its called research. It appears we found dozens of warheads designed to carry chemical weapons. Jan. 2003, July 2004 We also found chemicals numerous times including Aug. 2004 So these were not WMD because the chemicals had not been put in the warheads or had leaked out. Iragi's are not rocket scientists. This argument has been going on for years and will go on for years. A student should not be downgraded for being aware of the inability to settle this disagreement. Do we all agree that Iran wants MWD and is ignoring the rest of the world in developing them. President Bush is keeping this country safe and I support him 100%. "

Luke Peterson wrote on May 30, 2007 10:20 am:
" Do you know who reads the Lincoln Journal Star at the Unicameral?! Practically everyone there (even the capitol walkers inside)! In essence, Mr. Gardner just contacted his state senator about how he feels towards this issue. Not only that, he made his voice be heard across the state. Bravo Brian! Keep it up! "

majority rules wrote on May 30, 2007 10:25 am:
" Sorry to Say Brian, I'm not sorry. Have you heard the saying "Majority Rules." Obviously the majority of Americans are not homosexual and don't agree with it either and thus they make the rules/laws that the majority agree with. I truly doubt you were born a homosexual. "

123 wrote on May 30, 2007 10:27 am:
" I know Brian, Mr. Honcho. I am certain he has contacted his representatives many times. He is very politically aware and active. Please don't try to talk down to him in your assumptions. "

tortis wrote on May 30, 2007 10:31 am:
" The law is the same for everyone, in Nebraska anyone can be fired for anything, the boss doesn't need to have a reason, it is an at will State, and either party has control of that, you and the employer have the same legal rights, you can quit anytime and he/she can terminate any time at will. I fail to see where that is unequal or discriminatory. "

Here's a fact wrote on May 30, 2007 10:40 am:
" Caches of artillery shells armed with nerve gas were found in Iraq. That is a fact. "

academics wrote on May 30, 2007 10:42 am:
" Wayne the fact is that no WMD's have been found. If a paper is premised on the assumption that there are, or were, WMD's it deserves to be downgraded. If your argument begins from an assumption then your paper is a fallacy as a whole, grounds for a bad grade. That aside this paper has not been presented for the public to evaluate and determine the intellectual might of the student, perhaps he is just a dead mind seeking any excuse for his bad marks.

The issue of Mr. Baker is worth continued discussion. We must maintain rigorous academic integrity and academic freedom if we want our children to have the best opportunities.Mr. Baker was a controversial teacher fired over a very controversial issue, it needs to be made clear to LPS that a significant portion of our community does not support this sort of action, and it needs to be clear that we do support individuals like Mr. Baker who are willing to question the party line. "


Majority rules... wrote on May 30, 2007 10:51 am:
" So, if the majority of Americans decided that it was okay for men to beat women, or that blacks should still be slaves... that would make it okay? "

Chip wrote on May 30, 2007 10:58 am:
" The funny thing about the Baker "firing" and, well, most of the comments to any news story, is that most of us don't have any actual facts to back up our opinions. Most of us, including myself, don't have the "inside scoop." We express our opinion about what we "think" probably happened, but the only people who truly know are the administrators, Mr. Baker and anyone he chose to tell. Oh well, you know the old saying about opinions. : ) Comment On, Me Boys!!! "

B wrote on May 30, 2007 11:04 am:
" If your line of thinking were just, then slavery would still be legal, as the slaves in this country were certainly in the minority. Throwing the majority rules trump card is just another way of evoking white, male & heterosexual privilege. Yuck. "

tired wrote on May 30, 2007 11:11 am:
" How long will people keep the Baker issue alive and kicking? I had Mr. Baker as a teacher, and I can tell you this: He wasn't the worst teacher I had, but he wasn't the best, either. As far as his firing goes, in Nebraska, it isn't that easy to fire a teacher. There has to be a lot of documentation and due process is involved. The news is reporting the final product of the process. No one knows everything that led up to the final step. But that hasn't kept anyone from thinking they know everything about the situation. "

Shawn wrote on May 30, 2007 11:18 am:
" "Majority" didn't necessarily rule. A bunch of old guys who sit around and argue for a living, ruled. I don't remember being asked to cast a vote on this particular subject. And to counter your next comment, I realize votes were cast in the past but there is nothing dictating their behavior at this point in time. We the people are helpless while they are in office, we only have power before and after. If the voting party had consisted of 25-30 yr olds, I think it would have had a very different outcome...even in Nebraska. "

To Majority Rules... wrote on May 30, 2007 11:20 am:
" Yeah, and posession is 9/10 of the law... That mentality does NOT fly... That's like saying, I'm bigger than you so I'm right.... What a maroon.... "

outsider wrote on May 30, 2007 11:21 am:
" If there is or was no WMD's then Hillary, John Kerry, John Edwards, Al Gore and Bill Clinton were lied to, by one of the greatest presidents ever. Mr William Clinton, who also gave us rising gas prices(what a oil man), high taxes (can you say rescession) and terriorst attacks. Why does Bush get all the glory (hatred). "

Brian wrote on May 30, 2007 11:28 am:
" First, I would like to thank everyone for comments on my letter so far. In response to one question, I have already contacted my state senator, Gail Kopplin. He voted in support of the ban on discrimination which I am proud of him for doing, but I wanted to move beyond my personal district as this is a matter that goes statewide. One important note is that there are already restrictions on what can influence employers in the hiring/firing process: Race, Color, Sex, Pregnancy, National Origin, Marital Status, Disability, and Age. "

Ughh! wrote on May 30, 2007 11:29 am:
" If 20 year olds were in office, God help us all! Wise people many years ago understood that life experience is a huge factor in making informed and prudent decisions. I'm almost 40 and every year I realize how much I didn't know the year before. Looking back on 20 . . . Ughhhh! (I thought I knew everything) "

Pffftt... wrote on May 30, 2007 11:40 am:
" Yeah, Akon should not get away with his behavior, especially with younger girls, or for any woman for that matter. In my opinion, anyone under 18 should not be going to those concerts in the first place, lyrics and such. I enjoy his music and as unfortunate as it is, I still have a craving to listen to his songs...Everyone is so irate over it, and I agree, but what about other rappers out there, R. Kelly for one, he disgusts me to the point I cannot listen to him at all. Rap, Country, R & B, Alternative, Hard Rock, and Spanish, all of the artists can't be perfect, so don't judge the "type" of music it is. Just enjoy the beat of it... "

Zoomie wrote on May 30, 2007 12:29 pm:
" Probably because: a) the recession was entirely on Dubya's watch (officially March-November 2001); b) because while Clinton likely believed Saddam still had some WMD, he didn't launch an invasion or get us into another Vietnam where there is only lose-lose options available to us; Dubya did!; c) while taxes (mostly on the wealthy) rose in 1993, they were more than offset by sharply increased incomes for ALL levels of society, vs increases the last six years only for the upper 10% of the nation (indeed, the average working American has had a net DECLINE in inflation adjusted income the last six years); and d) the price of oil skyrocketed the last several years under Bush while staying fairly steady under Clinton, in large part because the war against Iraq has unsettled the MidEast sufficiently to drive up prices, combined with an oil industry that refuses to increase refining capability (and not because Dems or environmentalists are stopping them; over the last 20yrs the number of refineries has fallen almost 40% as smaller firms are bought out and closed by major oil companies anxious to control pricing at all levels). Thats a small part of why we complain about THE MOST INCOMPETENT PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY, George W. Bush! "

Sean1 wrote on May 30, 2007 1:00 pm:
" The Unicameral does what it wants or what it thinks it can get away with. That's why we have elections and term limits. I've already begun my list for the next one. At the top of it is the moron who drew up the latest bill on class one schools and the idiots who voted for it. "

yup wrote on May 30, 2007 1:02 pm:
" the sky is falling! the sky is falling! if you're looking to get rid of those 4th row tickets i'm sure you'll find takers, metes. "

wack wrote on May 30, 2007 1:06 pm:
" I can be fired from my job anytime for no reason. Doesn't matter if I'm gay or not gay. It's been that way at every job I've had. So why the fuss? Being out and gay at work and having this legislation passed wouldn't protect you from getting fired. They don't need a reason to fire you. Stick fork in this one too. It's done. Go cry on your partner's shoulder and let him know that "I just can't quit you" and move on cowboy. "

SRO wrote on May 30, 2007 1:35 pm:
" Goofball, the legislation protects you from getting fired for THE MERE FACT OF being GAY just like it protects people from being being fired for being OLD, JEWISH, BLACK, OR HANDICAPPED.... "

beerorkid wrote on May 30, 2007 1:54 pm:
" Facts have a well known liberal bias "

Question man wrote on May 30, 2007 2:16 pm:
" How do you prove that someone is fired for just being gay? Even if you have the legislation, an employer will not come out (no pun intended) and say, "Yeah, I got rid of him cuz he's gay." A homophobic boss will document every slip you ever make and will get rid of you regardless. Useless legislation. "

T wrote on May 30, 2007 2:31 pm:
" The discriminated person will need to document all derrogatory comnents, biased behavior, etc., for proof. Yes, it's difficult to prove, but you can do it... The key is to document, document, document!!!! "

Hey wrote on May 30, 2007 2:45 pm:
" How did Bush cause a recession that started before any of his budgets or tax cuts were enacted? "

Zoomie wrote on May 30, 2007 2:59 pm:
" No one said Bush caused the recession. Neither did Clinton. Recissions are a normal part of the economic cycle. Presidents can enact measures that shorten or lengthen them, but they don't cause them, any more than they end them. But the recession is associated with Bush because (his bad luck) it started right after he took office, hence its associated in the public mind with him. "

Gay? wrote on May 30, 2007 3:00 pm:
" What boss is going to make gay slams against an employee??? If you are gay and continue to work for such a beast, then you need YOUR head examined! It is reminiscent of an abused woman who keeps going back to her abuser. Get out and quick! "

Mindless Robot wrote on May 30, 2007 3:10 pm:
" Mr. Simpson's premise breaks down to the ol', "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" routine. In theory this seems logical, but in practice it doesn't cut it. The argument is usually played when the facts don't add up to your wishes. Just imagine if prosecuting attorneys could play that card. "Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury: Although we don't have any weapon, witness, body, or motive it doesn't necessarily mean our suspect didn't commit the crime." Mr. Simpson has presented a rather lame argument. "

JMK wrote on May 30, 2007 3:11 pm:
" I would urge everyone who thinks this bill should not pass and that gays(?) don't deserve special attention to contact there senators also. we can keep the ban intact if we act. and then the majority will rule and anyone who dislikes it can leave. "

Josh wrote on May 30, 2007 3:55 pm:
" Funny - I bet if someone were fussing about taking away protections against being fired for being Christian, marjority rules would be out organizing protests about the discrimination against Christians. Ahhh,,,the hypocrisy......... "

dish wrote on May 30, 2007 4:15 pm:
" majority rules huh?.. Then shouldn't Al Gore have won the 2000 election? "

dumb wrote on May 30, 2007 4:29 pm:
" Why is a 14 year old young girl going to a concert like Akon's anyway. "

elf wrote on May 30, 2007 4:50 pm:
" wow wayne have you seen the pictures of the thousands of Kurdish fatalities, men women and children, in stacks no less, gassed by Sadaam and his co-horts. Bulldozers were pushing them into mass graves. Does not poison gas count as a WMD to you. Guess not. Oh well believe what you want. That's a fact. Just because the WMD can't or couldn't be found doesn't necessarily mean the don't exist. "

Brian wrote on May 30, 2007 5:30 pm:
" The fallacy of the appeal to ignorance: Because something cannot be absolutely proven to be false we should believe it is true....We haven't searched under the entire desert for WMD's, therefore they must be there. Bush lied. Get over it. Move on. The question now is how do we correct the wrong we have committed; no longer is the question did we do wrong. It seems very often that anyone who will take an ethical stand on this issue, and say that we must work to correct the wrong our nation has committed, has their character attacked to try and undermine the value of the discussion they are raising. The only connection between Al Queda and Iraq runs through Washington where politicians saw fit to arm both these groups. "

Laurie wrote on May 30, 2007 5:45 pm:
" Majority, where the heck were you in civics class? The majority does not rule. If it did we would still have segregation, women wouldn't be able to vote, we would all be forced Christians and Simon Cowell would probably be the President. "

Mindless Robot wrote on May 30, 2007 5:46 pm:
" Elf Elf Elf, for about the 10 millionth time, the question wasn't whether he ever had them, but if he was continuing to make and stockpile them. Of course he had them (insert smiley Saddam/Rumsfeld hand shaking photo here) we gave them to him to use against Iran. The process to manufacture said WMDs and Nuclear weapons is a large undertaking. You don't just hide these labs under your mattress or in a cupboard. Even if a lab was stripped clear of anything in it, tell tale signs would still be present as to what exactly was going on in that place. On January 12 2005 the U.S. Governemnt ordered weapons inspectors to stop their search for WMDs because they found nothing. As far as your, "Just because the WMD can't or couldn't be found doesn't necessarily mean the don't exist." statement, You might want to look up a few posts to see my previous post. I might as well say just because I haven't heard my dog speak Latin doesn't mean he can't. He might wait until I leave the house before he starts walking around the house speaking Latin. "

Brian wrote on May 30, 2007 6:50 pm:
" The fact that there is a discussion concerning gas used on Iraqis by Saddam versus WMD's makes me wonder how much people care about Darfur right now. Obviously, not nearly as much because they don't have one thing: oil. For the people that don't like, don't understand, and don't want to understand gays; I'd urge you as much as any citizen to write your senator. On the flip side of that, most educated people should understand that such views are outdated and prejudiced. Many pagans had those views of Christianity before it became the main religion in the Roman Empire. Christians kept on fighting and eventually won rights for themselves in the empire (and much more). These Christian values that everyone wants to uphold by denying rights to homosexuals are the same values that keep me pushing to win rights for gays in the public forum. "

Ryan wrote on May 30, 2007 7:07 pm:
" A better question is "why is ANYONE going to an Akon show"? Worthless, talentless trash is going to rake in oodles of cash from impressionable youngsters while the Lincoln Symphony could use the money. I have an idea. Parents, take your kids there. Expose them to some real music so they don't think they're stuck listening to this trash. "

tcan wrote on May 30, 2007 8:14 pm:
" I am also sorry you purchased tickets to the Akon performance out of sheer ignorance. If you expected greater moral exercise from an individual whose latest hit single "Smack That" is devoted entirely to the discussion of sexual desires and contains references to concealing his erection within his underwear while dancing with a woman, you probably deserve to have lost a little money in the process. "

jll wrote on May 30, 2007 10:22 pm:
" I can't believe that so many people are missing the point on this Akon letter. I count 5 or 6 posts that either blame the 14 year-old girl for being stupid or the letter writer for her tastes in music. One poster "Sarah" is a woman- and Sarah, I hate to disagree, but I don't know many 14 year-olds who know "full well" what they are getting themselves into. I cannot believe that people condone and even expect this type of behavior from performers. "

Tiger wrote on May 30, 2007 10:46 pm:
" Oil cash cow! I have to wonder why gas in Iowa is so much cheaper than Nebraska. Has Nebraskans alot of people voted down the casino admendment. Why was it voted down? Because some people thought it would cause all these problems. Of course the fact that the council bluff casinos parking lots are full of cars from Nebraska, seemed to be a lost reality. Iowa is able to lower their gas prices because Nebraskans flow to their casinos. So if you voted against the casinos for nebraska pay the High gas price's and keep quiet , you don't have a complaint. "

Shawn wrote on May 31, 2007 7:32 am:
" I love all the people who tell gays to get another job if they don't like it...like decent jobs are just floating around lincoln DYING for someone to pick them up. I know it sounds real good if you want to be ignorant and uncaring, but it's not reality...imagine that. "

Come on wrote on May 31, 2007 9:08 am:
" People people people... it was an 18 & Over club. WHY is Akon blamed for not knowing this girl was only 14. And have you seen the way she was dressed that night....this girl new full well what she was doing. Let's look at the real picture here, what as this 14 year old, half naked girl with a fake ID doing at an 18 and Over club? And yet, you hold Akon responsible. Come on people, wake up. "

Shawn wrote on May 31, 2007 11:52 am:
" I hold rappers responsible for mistakenly thinking that is "music". I think it's gross and 90% of it makes me turn red and I'm in the age bracket that is supposed to think this is cool. "

jll wrote on May 31, 2007 1:13 pm:
" To clarify- I was not saying that Akon should have known that the girl was 14, but what I was saying was that it's not ok to beat a woman about the stage as if she were an object. I have seen the video and the way that the girl was dressed, and I agree, not appropriate for a 14 year-old, but should being half naked excuse the actions? I would hope that most folks would say no. Now we're back to the question of if she dresses provocatively, is she asking to be abused? I don't think so, and letters that say "have you seen the way that she was dressed" continue to objectify women instead. I do hold Akon responsible for treating women like they're objects. He sings songs that objectify women and he obviously doesn't have much respsect for women in general. Why is it wrong to hold him responsible for his views? Seems pretty simple to me. I'm saying that it's a shame that folks choose to listen to him and spend money to see him when he holds such a negative view of half of our population. I think that's what the letter writer was saying as well. She is now choosing not to see him because she now is aware of how he views women. "

first of all... wrote on May 31, 2007 2:44 pm:
" majority rule without basic minority rights is what is commonly called "mob rule". I don't think we want mob rule. Second, we are all a minority in some manner. I am a white male, but admittedly not a Husker fan. If my boss knew the truth, I could get fired. Would this be fair? Of course not. Gays just want equal protection under the law, not special rights. Equal opportunity, justice, and the pursuit of happiness are values that make America great. Hearing some of you talk, I'd guess you'd be happier in an fundamentalist Islamic state that has strict limitations on said values. You may not approve of homosexuality, but denying equal, not special, rights is inarguable. Come on, who would choose to be gay and submit themselves to the hatred, bigotry, and persecution of so many of the so-called "values" folk in this not-so-fair state? "