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Monday, Sep 18, 2006 - 12:10:09 am CDT

Char Carpenter of Neligh said “We need good Internet service in rural Nebraska” (letter, Sept. 7). I agree. So does David Hahn, Democratic candidate for governor. He blasted the vote of a special broadband task force as damaging to the state.

Hahn said their actions could put this generation and future generations at a significant disadvantage. He believes it is a good move to pursue the one strategic advantage we have in this economy.

Gov. Dave Heineman, in contrast, simply wants to “look at the issue.”

Hahn has said he believes private and public sectors both would benefit by allowing public entry in Internet service for Nebraskans. As a rural Internet user, I know he’s right.

Hahn certainly seems to provide real leadership on an issue vital to Nebraska’s economic growth, while Heineman seems to prefer the wait-and-see approach.

Nancy Meyer, Cedar Bluffs

Contrasting views

The Cal Thomas column, “Defector warns of menace posed by Islam” (LJS, Aug 21) has certainly prompted much response, as evidenced by the continuing flow of letters to this newspaper. However, the many emotional appeals for “tolerance” of Islam in American society contrast “radically” with Islam’s own statements.

Islam’s tolerance for other religions? “Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah’s” (Koran 8:40); “He it is [Allah] Who sent His messenger [Muhammad] with the guidance and the religion of truth [Islam], that He may make it conqueror of all religion …” (Koran 61:9). Muhammad himself said, “I have been ordered [by Allah] to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshiped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle” (Hadith 1:2:24). Will “moderate” Muslims renounce these teachings?

Islam apparently desires us all to be Muslims. And if we disagree? “Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given [Jews and Christians] as believe not in Allah …” (Koran 9:29). How exactly are we to “interpret” such an order? I respectfully ask — just who is intolerant and extreme?

Allah and Muhammad obviously prefer conversion by the sword (or gun), as shown by the most recent kidnapping of journalists Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig. While numerous “politically correct” voices place the blame upon “extremists hijacking a peaceful religion and misinterpreting the Koran,” Islam clearly reveals itself as a “clear and present danger.”

Lyle Goodenkauf, Lincoln

Respect service people

Dec. 7, 1941. Sept. 11, 2001. Two days that will forever be etched into American history for two very distinct reasons. First, the disastrous loss of American lives at the hands of a diabolical enemy. Secondly, the rallying of the American people around our servicemen and servicewomen.

However, military support, like the shine on a new car, tends to fade with time. Within days of Sept. 11, 80 percent of cars showed some form of support for the U.S. military. Five years later, you would be hard pressed to find some form of encouragement for our service people.

I am by no means saying that you have to support President Bush’s ideas and policies. However, our men and women in uniform still deserve your respect. Many service people are serving until retirement regardless of whom the commander in chief is.

I am not only speaking from a personal soapbox here, but as a voice of experience as well.

I spent eight years as a member of the United States Navy. During that time, I experienced both ends of the spectrum. Just a few months after 9/11, I was transferring between duty stations and was traveling in uniform. The reception I received would have led one to believe that I had just killed Osama bin Laden in Times Square. On the flip side, not two years later I was again traveling in uniform and was looked at as if I had two heads.

I have also seen it while strolling around the UNL campus. Every Thursday, the university ROTC students wear the respective uniforms of the branch that they represent. I have seen numerous times where other students have looked in these individuals in disgust.

I am in no way expecting everyone to appreciate what I have to say. However, as a veteran and someone whose girlfriend lost a brother overseas in Afghanistan, I merely ask that we appreciate the sacrifices that the armed forces make every single day. They are the ones that are responsible for the freedoms that we as Americans enjoy day to day.

If you see one of my brothers-in-arms, just say “Thank You.” You never know how much that will make their day.

Frank Soukup, Lincoln

Left is harming U.S.

It brought the country together for about 30 days. The Democrats couldn’t wait to give the president everything he needed to fight these cowards.

Then the left and the American Civil Liberties Union got in kahoots and realized that if they continued to praise and help this Republican president, they would never regain power in Washington.

So what happened? The left made a movie blaming President Bush for being involved in 9/11. This was outrageous, but a lot of you believed it because you wanted it to be true.

I wrote a letter to the editor four years ago saying that the far left is hurting America more than the terrorists.

The terrorists haven’t hit us since ‘01. The left hits America every day.

We need politicians that will vote to kill terrorists, not blame America for upsetting them.

Wes Hager, Lincoln

Vote yes on initiative

The Sept. 7 Journal Star reported on a Legislative Fiscal Office study, on how the Stop Over-spending (SOS) initiative would affect the state budget process. Sen. DiAnna Schimek of Lincoln requested the study.

The study concluded that if SOS had been in effect over the past 10 years, state general fund spending would have been allowed to grow $652 million from $1.9 to $2.55 billion, including a $93 million increase next year. During Schimek’s time in office, state spending has actually risen a staggering 282 percent from only $886 million in 1988 to $3.2 billion next year.

Schimek specifically asked the fiscal office to skew the study by only looking at appropriations in the general fund budget and assigning any loss in state spending to aid to local governments, thus enabling her to use the property tax scare tactic. That is a false premise, since SOS does not dictate to the Legislature where or how to spend the state’s financial resources. SOS allows for healthy growth in state spending, increased by annual inflation and population rates.

Schimek and her fellow senators raised income and sales taxes in the 1990s, increased state aid to local schools and promised property tax relief. What Nebraskans actually got was a 55 percent increase in property taxes since 1998 and an overall tax burden rising to the sixth highest in the nation. 

Last May citizens refused to give Schimek a pay raise and in 2000 gave her the term limit pink slip for 2008. We can do nothing about the errors of the past, but on Nov. 7, with your yes vote for the “Initiative on Limiting the Growth of State Spending” we will start Nebraska on a path of limited government and lower taxes.

Mike Groene, North Platte

Chairman, Stop Over-Spending Ballot Committee

Think before you vote

About a month ago, I saw a news segment about our Congress and their many benefits. I wish everyone could have seen it.

The “starting” salary for members of Congress is $165,200. We already know about the unbelievable raises that they give themselves — quite often, but wait, it gets better! Some work as little as two days a week, some commute, but it does not seem that a 40-hour week is something any of them do very often.

What all taxpayers, especially those not in the top tax bracket, should be aware of is that the “average” number of days worked per year is 72 days! That is about $2,300 per day, and that is for the lowest salary!

Who do you think is paying for all this? The taxpayers, of course! The retirement for Congress is much better than most. Are you still with me?

I think there is something very wrong with this picture. We know that Congress did not approve the recent bill for an increase in the minimum wage.

What areas do they target when they need to cut down on spending? Not their raises or benefits, but they do give tax breaks to the wealthiest of taxpayers. Help for the uninsured, food, medicine, things that are the necessities of life — that they just cut!

These are a few of the things that I wish all citizens, whether they be low-income, middle-class, seniors or somewhere in between would keep in mind, when they go to vote in November.

We might have more equality in everything if we could have a Congress that is not all in that “special tax bracket.” I wish it were possible. The largest group of taxpayers are in the middle class. Think about it!

Beverly Irwin, Lincoln


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Congressional Reform needed wrote on September 18, 2006 12:26 am:
" I agree with Beverly Irwin, we have needed Congressional reform for 30 years! They get perks like, Free Medical care, Free prescription. Wages should be cut in half. Instead of 162,500 the base wage should be 82,000 for ALL congress persons. I also believe that if they want an increase in wages it should be put to a vote of the People not by those in Congress themselves. They should be made to pay for their own health insurance, prescription insurance, airfare to and from Washington. Let's also cut those pensions in half too. Other folks have had to tighten the belt! Let's let Congress start doing the same! We don't get these perks, Why should congress? When they start working for the people again perhaps we could consider a small bonus. They could take a day off! "
Hemet wrote on September 18, 2006 12:29 am:
" Beverly, if you are gonna get mad about federal taxes, consider that the pay for congress persons is a drop in a very big bucket. What you should worry about is George W Bush and his 3 trillion dollar national deficit and hundreds of billions for a dead end war and billions for going to Mars. That all makes local taxes sort of like spit on a hot rock. And yes, this same bunch cut benefits for Americans that need help, like Seniors. Makes you ponder the meaning of "conservative" does it not? Conservative in helping Americans and not so conservative in squandering your tax dollars to new records. "
Stevie B. wrote on September 18, 2006 12:47 am:
" Lyle Goodenkauf has a great point. There is great danger in interpreting holy writings of any sort in a literal manner without historical context. "
P. Van Ostrand wrote on September 18, 2006 1:20 am:
" Mr. Hager, Credit for the fact that we haven't been hit since 9/11 should be given to the current administration. We should not overlook the fact that the intense pressure from the left has also played a positive role in this process. Our system relies on check and balances to make the whole thing work. I have no problem with the left pointing out any possible problem, but the left fails our system when they point fingers without an alternative plan or solution. I agree the left is hurting this country, not because of their scrutiny, just their lack of ideas. "
Dave M. wrote on September 18, 2006 1:28 am:
" Wes, most rationale Americans discounted the Michael Moore movie as being sensationalist and a thinly veiled attack on Bush was purely on politics. A more substantive argument against Bush has been his actions regarding Iraq, and many people, both "liberal" and "conservative", have called him on the logic of invading Iraq at a time when our great Nation should have been fighting Islamofacistc terrorists. Sadaam Hussein may have been an evil dictator, but an Islamofacist he was not. In fact, he was considered by our Government, at least in the 1980's, as a stable foil to the Islamofacist revolution in Iran. I, as many other critics of the war in Iraq, consider the war in Iraq as a unnecessary and ill-timed deviation from our goals of eliminating the kind of terrorism that resulted in the atrocities of 9/11. As any termite exterminator knows, it is not enough to simply kill the existing termites without taking other preventative measures and it is a significant diversion of resources to go after a cockroach infestation at the same time. Focus on killing the termites, and only then go after the cockroaches and the conditions that allow cockroaches to breed. "
Max wrote on September 18, 2006 2:06 am:
" I'm watching the Waco documentary and I've concluded that the U.S government handled this situation totally inappropriately by trying to engage Koresh in rationale thought rather than religious thought. It is a situation that so completely similar (albiet, much more simplified) to the situation with Islamic terrorists that cannot be ignored. We are not going to change these peoples' minds, but we can change the way we approach the situation. Wes and Lyle, I agree with you to some extent, but I think that we've got to figure out a smarter way to prosecute our wars in way that considers not only our goals but also allows the children of our adversaries escape the bonds of religious fundamentalism that breeds terrorism. "
Osama WHO? wrote on September 18, 2006 2:22 am:
" Hey, Wes Hager ... ? How's that hunt for Osama going? Oh, that's right. Bush pretty much abandoned him as unimportant. Had to invade Iraq. By the way, how's that hunt for those WMDs going? Didn't find any? What's the "excuse de jour" on that? Maybe Elvis flew them to Syria in his flying saucer. And how's that occupation going? You know ... the one where Bush assured the Pope 'Don't worry, your eminence. We'll be quick and do well in Iraq.' They seem to be building a reinforced permanent self-sufficient military base bigger than the Vatican itself. That sound to you like they will be leaving any time soon? But you're right ... it's obviously the Left that's hurting America. "
Bob wrote on September 18, 2006 3:47 am:
" In regard to literal Islamism, a country like Iraq will never truly abandon its tendencies toward sectarian divisions unless it feels the economic impacts of such divisive positions. Democracy untainted by religious divisions can only take hold if economic pressure exists within the region and within the international economy to punish such behavior. We need to engage countries surrounding Iraq and trading with Iraq to punish them for allowing sectarian politics to rule. This kind of pressure is the only way people on the street in Iraq will understand that the future of their country will be severely broken if they refuse to value democracy over religious differences. "
truth wrote on September 18, 2006 4:15 am:
" well, if the politicians DID anger what we view as terroists, then wouldnt they hold some of the blame? "
Middle Ground wrote on September 18, 2006 6:17 am:
" Wes- The terrorists have won. They only had to attack once, but they won. The basic rights on which our nation was founded are being removed daily. The more freedom we lose in the name of "Homeland Security" makes us more like the people we are fighting against. And that means the terrorists have won. "
eddie wrote on September 18, 2006 7:31 am:
" It is astounding that there are people who believe we are not fighting terrorists in Iraq. Who do they think have been planting the IEDs and chopping off heads? As for Middle Ground, I am interested in hearing what basic rights of his have been violated lately. "
No Bob wrote on September 18, 2006 7:36 am:
" Most of the countries around Iraq allow sectarian politics to rule. Look at Saudi Arabia for example, that country is not a democracy it is a Monarchy and is ruled by Islamic laws. If you want democracy to take hold in the Middle East, you need to have all our allies in that part of the world including Saudi Arabia to change to a democratic form of government and not have the Islamic laws as the basis of laws of the land. The only true democratic country in that part of the world is Turkey. We cannot force our form of government onto any other country. They have to want it themselves. "
John near Lincoln wrote on September 18, 2006 7:39 am:
" I wonder how much money Mike Groene is taking in from these out-of-state funders for SOS? Are they paying his salary too? "
Timmy wrote on September 18, 2006 7:56 am:
" While Frank Soupkup is correct that we should respect the sacrifices of those in the armed forces and not conflate their service with the misguided policies of the Bush Administration, his letter also touches on one of the issues cited by many who back the war that has served to confuse the issue. Playing upon the memory of Vietnam, supporters of this military action have too often equated questioning the war with being against the troops and, further, as Wes Hager's letter above alludes, being unpatriotic or even giving comfort and aid to the enemy. Although Soukup admirably does not take Hager's simplistic tone, and allows for a more nuanced view that it’s possible to be against the Administration’s lies, deceits, and errors regarding the Middle East but still support those in service, he still confuses the issue somewhat by suggesting, as many others have, that we should support the troops because they’re defending our freedom. Some of us simply do not, sadly, see it that way, and instead view the casualties in Iraq as not only unnecessary but, worse, part of a loss of respect for America around the globe that has resulted in putting the nation in greater danger as our arrogance and violence inspire evermore people to hate us and move to take action against us. And, paradoxically, instead of these actions protecting our freedoms as Americans, we've been made to sit back and watch our Constitutional freedoms erode under this administration, all the while being accused of being un-American by folks like Wes Hager if we dare support that Constitution and the rule of law that have made this nation so great. So, I’m in complete agreement that our military personnel deserve heartfelt respect and thanks, but that gratitude flows from a realization that they signed up to serve the nation and answered the call to duty by their commander in chief, not because I believe anything they've done in Iraq has protected and enhanced my freedom. Perhaps when some see you in uniform these days and you feel they're looking at you as if you have "two heads," they are instead thinking about the tragedy of the situation your country has placed you in and are overcome with a variety of emotions that might include anger and sadness, bordering on despair, as the situation drags on and on with more and more casualties. Maybe upon seeing you they're moved to wish that, finally, the nation would admit its tragic mistake and move to bring the troops home so that no more will be killed and injured for the sake of an administration that not only cannot admit it made a mistake, but last week insisted it would do NOTHING different if it had it to do all over again! I greatly appreciate your service Mr. Soukup, I'm just sorry your willingness to serve has been abused for the sake of a Bush Administration fantasy. You deserved better from your country. "
Hank wrote on September 18, 2006 8:04 am:
" Boy, this morning's letters remind me of the Vietnam war era! We are in a war we should never have gone into, and some people (like Frank) are concerned that the military is losing respect, others (like Wes) blame the left for all our troubles, and yet others (like Lyle) claim that regardless of what has happened the other side clearly has evil intentions. Instead of repeating our Vietnam divisiveness with everyone holding on to what they once believed and now just obstinately repeat while failing to recognize the reality of the situation, we should focus on correcting the fundamental problem: President Bush and his incompetent lackeys who took us to war in Iraq for their own political purposes. We the voters should commit to not voting for another Republican until Bush and Co. are out of our government. Yes, I know, the Democrats don't have a plan, but no plan sure beats the completely disastrous plan that the republicans refuse to let go of. In the words that Donald Rumsfeld directed at Saddam: When you are in a hole, the first thing you do is stop digging. I'll bet that as soon as we free our government from the clutches of the neocon and fundie fanatics, we will actually be able to reduce the widespread hatred abroad and Americans will again be able to look at the military as something more than Bush's goons. If we actually begin paying attention to who we vote for, we may actually get our government towork again doing the basic things government should do. It's up to us, the voters. We need to wise up and put the most incompetent and divisive government in the history of our country out to pasture. Peace. "
Sean wrote on September 18, 2006 8:24 am:
" Mike Groene: Thank you for the clarification of the SOS proposal on the November ballot. In looking at your figures, it appears that the blame is not to be layed at the feet of the Legislature (afterall, they increased aid to schools to help alleviate property tax burdens). Apparently, the blame should rest on the local governments that control property tax levies. Thank you for this information and I will be voting against your proposal. "
Sean wrote on September 18, 2006 8:45 am:
" Dear Lyle: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding Allah's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would allude to wiping them off the face of the planet. As you said "Islam clearly reveals itself as a 'clear and present danger.'" I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend Islam I simply remind them that Hadith 1:2:24 clearly states they intend to kill us all... end of debate. As you are obviously Christian, I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be fair market value? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 7. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 8. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also curses and blasphemes a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14) Reading your letter, I know you have studied these things extensively and thus have considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that the Holy Word is eternal and unchanging. "
Brandon wrote on September 18, 2006 8:59 am:
" Yes, Wes, I agree the far left is hurting America. But, so is the far right and there are more of them every day. Somehow, someway, we, as Americans, must find a way to put things in perspective. Was 9/11 a terrible thing? Yes, it was. And our response was almost as bad. The war in Afghanistan is a good thing. The Taliban was and is a supporter of terrorism. The war in Iraq is a disaster of the first magnitude and yet those on the right continue to support it. Yes, there is terrorism in Iraq. Why attack Americans here, when we have sent the terrorists 148,000 targets to their backyard? We lose troops everyday in a war that has been conclusively shown to have nothing to do with terrorism and yet those on the right continue to support it. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you also support the illegal TSP (Terrorist Survelliance Program) and the illegal detention of people at Gitmo. I think that we should absolutely listen in to terrorists. But, it should be done correctly, within the rule of law. I think we should detain people suspected of terrorism, but shouldn't they also be granted a speedy trial? Some of the people in Gitmo have been held without trial for five years. If another nation did that to Americans, we would be (rightly) outraged. Your argument is without merit unless you also agree that the far right has hurt America by harming the very fabric of rights that is the heart of our Republic. "
Ben wrote on September 18, 2006 8:59 am:
" Hank talks about Vietnam divisiveness and folks holding to their own beliefs in a negative light, but does the very same thing himself! What hypocrisy! Having no plan is better than striving for victory? That kind of thinking will get our troops killed faster than anything. I sincerely hope that the majority of the voting public don't think that way. Why on earth would anyone espouse the view that "no plan" is a good idea?! That is the definition of insanity! Wise up and vote for no plan everyone. God help us. "
jerry wrote on September 18, 2006 9:31 am:
" Wes, it's people like you who vote a straight republican ticket no matter which way they are leading the country..This bunch is the most corrupt in the history of america. It's not only the right but the left is there too. The whole bunch needs to be voted out of office and replaced as soon as possible. "
beerorkid wrote on September 18, 2006 9:48 am:
" The bible, Koran, Torah, gospel of the FSM, and Dianetics are all completly equal. As in many people think that they were written by God. This is a very dangerous thing to believe. It is something that should not pass the test such as santa and the tooth fairy. The bible is full of horrible violence just as other holy texts. Some think all Muslims want to kill us cuz of their religion. Well they are forced to be a religion, but they dont have to buy it. Just as most in this country and administration are christians in name only, you know it has to be that way in muslim countries. "
to Sean wrote on September 18, 2006 10:00 am:
" Good that you would ask these questions. One thing you need to understand is that you quote old testament law - which was a part of God's covenant with His people of Israel. Jesus Christ is the "new convenant" from God. The laws of the O.T. are to show poeple their need for a savior. We are no longer bound to them. We follow Christ and his teachings. BUT the law/rules of the O.T. are to be used to learn of the cultures and poeple Christ came to save. Easy enough? "
Ryan wrote on September 18, 2006 10:56 am:
" Wow. Even in a left-leaning letter the term "Islamofascism" sneaks in. Oh, how the right-wing talkin-points sink so deep. Please stop using this term. There is no such thing as Islamofascism. Go look up the work fascism in a dictionary and you will see that it is nowhere near any Islamic leadership anywhere in the world. In fact, you might be surprised by what government seems to be inching very close. But, linguistics are pretty precise, and there is no such thing. Please stop using that term. "
CS wrote on September 18, 2006 10:58 am:
" ROTC wears their uniforms at UNL? Thats great! Is that an ROTC thing or a campus by campus decision? I hung my uniform up in 2002-it'd be neat to wear it again. Kudos to UNL ROTC. "
Brian wrote on September 18, 2006 11:00 am:
" Sean, just in case anyone retorts that those verses don't count because they are in the old testement and Jesus' death erased their need (I've heard this argument before), ask them if they let their wives talk in church. Paul very clearly states that women should not speak or preach in church, but I've seen both! What to do?! That's new testement, brother. "
Oh Mike wrote on September 18, 2006 11:56 am:
" Mike Groene: My payroll taxes and sales taxes went down in the '90's. My property tax levy did not rise 55% as you claim. The rise in property taxes were a result of increased value of my property value. That is completely different than what you claim. You're not complaining that your property increased in value are you? "
Don wrote on September 18, 2006 12:06 pm:
" Sean, all those references to the Old Testament were for the nation of Israel at that time. A completely different dispensation from now. These verses are not for us today. Read the New Testament for the standards we are to live by today. "
Chip wrote on September 18, 2006 12:29 pm:
" SOS is dangerous, ignorant and reactionary. It is NOT well thought out and is NOT the solution to the problems in Nebraska. The only guarentee with SOS is that IF it passes, we are going to have a spend a lot of money to repeal it-which would happen when people finally opened their eyes and realized what a mistake it was. Out-of-state interests with no connection to Nebraska are the primary supporters of this proposed legislation and the people in this state working for it are either being paid off by this parent organization or are mis-informed. Don't take my word for it on what this will do to the state. Do your research and find out the truth for yourself. Dig deep to find the truth people. SOS is a bad deal for Nebraska. "
Another oh Mike... wrote on September 18, 2006 12:35 pm:
" Actually, Nebraska's total tax burden was ranked 20th for 2005, not 6th as Mike claims! "
Amanda wrote on September 18, 2006 1:08 pm:
" The ROTC cadets do wear their uniforms on campus on Thursdays when they have their leadership classes. The cadets wear their uniforms to all their classes that day. My son is in ROTC and we have discussed potential reactions from other students on campus before he made the commitment - he can handle it and is proud to do so. I have great respect for the young people in ROTC (all branches) - they should be commended not looked at with disgust. What a shame! "
Mike Pratt wrote on September 18, 2006 1:25 pm:
" In regard to the effort to slow down the growth of state spending, I've been following this issue closely. Let’s look at some facts; 1. County government in Nebraska already has a growth lid. Why is a “lid” such a bad idea for State government? 2. Amendment 423 is NOT a cap. The proposed formula will limit annual growth of the previous year’s budget to ‘the rate of regional inflation plus the percentage of growth in Nebraska’s population.’ 3. Nebraska’s State Fiscal Office predicts that over a four year period (’05 – ’08) the budget will grow by 27.7%. 4. According to the State Auditor’s office, over the last twenty-one years state expenditures have increased by more than 280%. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. 5. Governor Owens re-endorsed a spending growth amendment in Colorado after having it in place for more than ten years. 6. Opposition to #423 includes special interest groups with a financial vested interest is higher taxes as well as entrenched bureaucrats unwilling to help our elected officials find cost savings and efficiencies. 7. According to the Detroit Free Press, household purchasing power in Nebraska fell by 4.6% last year. At the same time Nebraska state spending went up by more than 7%. When is enough going to be enough? 8. Amendment 423 will put taxpayers back in charge of state expenditure growth rather than lobbyists and special interest groups. "
Mike wrote on September 18, 2006 1:37 pm:
" I read that state expenditures are going to increase by 27.7% between 2005-2008. This government spending is getting out of control and they are coming to "us" as tax payers and raising our taxes just to pay for it. I think we are the sixth highest taxed state in the nation and it's getting difficult to afford to live here. I know the fruits of my hard work have not resulted in a 27.7% increase in my pay in the same period referenced above and I don't see why I should have to fund that kind of spending incerase for our State Government. I'm voting for the SOS ballot measure in hopes it will stop this type of thing. "
an Idle Fool wrote on September 18, 2006 1:51 pm:
" The New Testament...would that be the one which tells us to love our enemy, turn the other cheek, and that the meek shall inherit the world? I believe it was the Old Testament where everyone got rich when they weren't busy slaying one another and fighting wars for this and that. Usually Christians jump back and forth between the Old and New to suit the occasion, but if someone like Don is willing to restrict himself to using only one of them, it certainly helps focus a discussion. "
Barbara wrote on September 18, 2006 1:54 pm:
" Don - so, since the Ten Commandments are in the Old Testament, and therefore are for the nation of Israel at that time -- those can just be ignored now, right? "
al wrote on September 18, 2006 2:08 pm:
" Let's not forget your sisters-in-arms as well, Frank. "
Karl wrote on September 18, 2006 2:48 pm:
" Don, read the letter from Brian. A minute too late it seems. "
But Don wrote on September 18, 2006 4:06 pm:
" The right keeps bringing up passages from the Old Testament to back their views like on gay rights among others. So what's wrong with Sean's references? Seems like you and Brian just like to pick and choose the bible verses you obey. If you believe the Bible is God's word, you must obey all of it and not just what you want. "
Sean1 wrote on September 18, 2006 4:24 pm:
" Know what you mean Frank. I enlisted in the USN in 73 and did 20. That included the tail end of Vietnam. Those wearing a uniform of any kind were considered "losers" right up until the first Gulf War. For awhile after that everyone was chanting "USA' and singing "I'm Proud to be an American". Things slacked off after that until the second Gulf War. It's starting to slide again and I see the kids in the ranks today catching some of the same flack we did during the 70's and 80's. All I can say is that all of us served, during bad and worse times. All gave some and some gave all. That's the lot of those who are willing to take the oath and defend a country they love when others will not. "
Sean1 wrote on September 18, 2006 4:32 pm:
" Ok Ryan! How about instead of Islamofacism we use say......Islamo-murderingpsychopaths? Calling them Facists could give them a modicum of political validation they don't deserve. Nah...I think I'll stick with Islamofacism. It's easier and I like the way it kind of trips off the tongue. Islamofacism, Islamofacism, Islamofacism. Yep! Much better! "
Joe B from Lincoln wrote on September 18, 2006 4:53 pm:
" On Mike, Sean and John-- did you know that's it's illegal for teachers or public employee's like yourselves to use government property (computers) or to participate in political activities while you are on the public dime. SOS is the only hope Nebraska taxpayers have to control government spending. After reading about Mr Groene in the Sunday September 10th Lincoln Star, he is an average native Nebraskan donating his time and money as a spokesman for the spending limit. Thank God for people like him. "
Doreen wrote on September 18, 2006 5:19 pm:
" "Oh Mike"--the only way your payroll taxes and sales taxes went down in the 90s was if your paycheck was cut in half and you avoided paying sales taxes by illegally bartering for your goods. The legislature raised both income and sales tax rates in the mid 1990s. The legislature told Nebraskans that the dollars we paid in property taxes would go down after they increased out income and sales tax rates, they lied. Does "Oh Mike" pay his property taxes in mill levies or in dollars. Increased valuation of my home does not mean I have the ability to pay higher property taxes and when "Oh Mike" reaps the profits from his house where is he going to live? According to the "Tax Foundation" Nebraskans have the 6th highest tax burden. Is Oh Mike confused, sounds like he lives in Missouri. Unless we control spending all taxes will continue to go up, Maybe that's what Oh Mike wants? What government agency do you work for "Oh Mike"? "
David wrote on September 18, 2006 5:57 pm:
" With reference to the salary for congresspersons, this is something that should be paid out of the state's budget and approved by the state legislatures. It is the job of the congressperson to represent their home state, but with them setting their own salaries it is too much like giving a kid the keys to the candy store. "
Shaun wrote on September 18, 2006 7:42 pm:
" To everyone, and not just the poeple responding here, that seem to think that the the fact that terrorists have not struck here since 9/11 is some sort of evidence of the administration's success in preventing it. That is just pure fantasy. The first WTC attack occured in 1993, the second in 2001....maybe my math is fuzzy, but that seems like more than 5 years to me. However, if we follow the previous logic, it would seem that the Clinton administration did a MUCH better job, since they managed to keep us from getting attacked again for almost 7 years!Rediculous logic, I know, but it makes as much sense as sying the Bush folks had something to do with stopping further attacks. And to the guy that can't believe that people don't think we're fighting terrorists in Iraq, if the US ever gets invaded unjustly and without cause, I would hope that we would stand up to the invaders and occupiers in exactly the same way! I AM NOT defending the actions of the insurgency in Iraq, they are vile and evil people, and yes terrorists have taken advantage of the unstable situation, but it WASN'T unstable until WE made it that way! "
Vicki wrote on September 18, 2006 7:53 pm:
" Chip-SOS is not dangerous, ignorant, or reactionary-It is the only hope the "Tax Me State" of Nebraska has! I am a citizen of Nebraska and I support this measure, as do many of my relatives, friends and neighbors. None of us are being "paid off" to quote you, to vote FOR SOS-and by the way we are well informed. Before you accuse the good people of Nebraska that are FOR SOS of being paid off and ignorant you had better do your homework! "
Not so fast Soldier wrote on September 18, 2006 7:54 pm:
" Frank- Have you ever stopped to think maybe; just maybe, the people that pass by you stare because they believe you are a hero? I occasionally travel for my job. I see military personnel at the airport all the time and I bet I give some pretty strange stares once in a while. It’s difficult for me, someone who’s never been in the military, to feel comfortable when in the presence of our fighting American soldiers. I wonder if he/she is heading overseas or maybe heading home for a two-week break from the war. I even feel a little guilt at times thinking maybe I should have joined the military to fight for my country. Can you kinda see how people might look a little strange when you encounter them? You are someone people respect greatly, you fight for our freedom, and you make it possible for America to keep moving, to be free. We don’t stare because you are a two-headed monster, we stare because you are a hero! "
Economist wrote on September 18, 2006 8:02 pm:
" Doreen, if you are going to quote the Tax Foundation, you could at least use the correct terminology because it helps give your argument some tiny semblance of credibility. Nebraska DOES not have the 6th highest overall tax burden as you claim. According to the Tax Foundation, Nebraska has the 6th highest state and local tax burden. The Tax Foundation claims that Nebraska's overall tax burden which includes state, local, and federal taxes is ranked 22nd. As far as the rankings are concerned I would take them with a grain of salt because the Tax Foundation is not considered a reliable source of information by most credible economists. "
do some research wrote on September 18, 2006 9:14 pm:
" Sink Our State is an attempt by people from other states to affect the petition process in their own state. It's primary backers don't care about Nebraska at all. They just want a precident. Nothing more nothing less. This proposal will destroy our state so fast that we won't know what hit us, and by the time we can repeal it, it will be too late. Vote NO! "
Free f'all wrote on September 18, 2006 9:49 pm:
" All the chatter on tax burden,and so little on waste and excesses of war. Lost limbs, soldier death payments and Congressional flights are a small part of what you will not be taxed completely for, the tax burden (as a debt with interest) still has to be realized by children and grandchildren. Babyboomers will also present a great burden as personal debt has not created savings. Without savings or social security...who might "pay" for a population hardly able to wipe ***** "
Faith, Reason wrote on September 18, 2006 10:37 pm:
" Stalin’s appeal was as leader, general and, above all, father of his people - a sort of substitute tsar. On the other hand, Mussolini, like so many of his fellow Fascists, was part of the ‘new’, rising, war generation,Renaissance man’. Know who and what you are voting for. SOS seems to have two meanings...perspective and knowledge are key to a democracy. Obsurity is not an excuse for ignorance. "
Oh Mike wrote on September 19, 2006 4:37 am:
" Doreen: Please check out this website and you will see that Nebraska income tax did decrease in the '90's. If your taxes increased it was because of pay raises and not increased income taxes. http://www.revenue.ne.gov/ann_rept/04an_rep/inctax.pdf#search=%22nebraska%20income%20tax%20rates%201990%20to%202000%22http://www.revenue.ne.gov/ann_rept/04an_rep/inctax.pdf#search=%22nebraska%20income%20tax%20rates%201990%20to%202000%22 "
423 = Property Tzx Hikes wrote on September 19, 2006 9:03 am:
" The Lincoln Journal Star, AARP, and Farm Bureau have all said that the SOS proposal/Initiative 423 would raise property taxes.......enough said..... "
Sure wrote on September 20, 2006 10:09 pm:
" Somebody needs to tell LJS, AARP & Farm Bureau that it doesn't matter what you vote for, Nebraska & Lincoln are going to raise property taxes regardless. "
TJ wrote on September 20, 2006 10:20 pm:
" Everything I've read, Nebraska is 6th highest taxed state. At least the states I've lived in taxes were not nearly as high as Nebraska. My last state, property taxes were four times less than Nebraska, and income taxes were half of Nebraska's. Consumer goods are double what I paid were I lived. Theres no way Nebraska is # 22 on the rung. You talk to anyone in any other state that you were from Nebraska and without hesitation, they say, "oh thats where the highest taxes are." "

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