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BY ART HOVEY / Lincoln Journal Star

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 - 12:14:50 am CDT

GRAND ISLAND — You couldn’t call this preaching to the choir. There were no “amens” here Wednesday as Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel warned an audience at a farm bill hearing that the American public is growing increasingly concerned about federal deficits and that the next farm bill needs to be adjusted accordingly.

Nor was there much harmonizing when Hagel cited recent estimates that 70 percent of direct government farm payments now go to about 10 percent of producers.

“Our farm policy has drifted far from where it was originally intended to be 70 years ago,” Hagel said in an opening statement.

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Chuck Hagel

But most of the Nebraska testimony that followed at a 3½-hour event presided over by Saxby Chambliss, Georgia Republican and chairman of the Senate Agriculture Committee, ran toward extending the current farm bill — a bill Hagel voted against — for at least one more year.

And as Chambliss, Hagel and fellow Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson listened, much of the farmer feedback from a dozen vantage points seemed to go away from a sterner attitude toward the payment limitations that Hagel wants to lower to $250,000.

“Our organization has struggled with payment limits for a number of years,” said Steve Ebke of Daykin and the Nebraska Corn Growers. “What we’ve had some difficulty with is assigning a dollar value.”

Steve Wellman of Syracuse, speaking for the American Soybean Association, said its policies favor no individual payment limits at all. “We believe the payments should follow where the production is at,” Wellman said.

In other words, a farmer raising three times as many soybeans as a neighbor should get a government payment that’s three times as big.

Wednesday’s regional field hearing was the most recent in a series of stops that also included Iowa Tuesday and Montana today. It’s all for the sake of gaining a better understanding of what farmers want as the 2002 farm bill expires, Chambliss said.

In his opening statement, Nelson spoke favorably of an approach that would address both food security and fuel security through attention to ethanol. Later he offered a possible solution to a crop insurance problem in which drought had diminished farmers’ yield histories and hurt their claim potential.

But Brad Lubben, part of Wednesday’s audience and a farm policy analyst at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, said afterward there’s a good chance the current bill will be extended.

That’s because of unresolved issues about farm subsidies in world trade talks, Lubben said. It’s probably also a sign of agricultural anxiety about budget cuts.

“We don’t want to talk about it, but the deficit issue is on the top of everybody’s mind,” he said.

The size of individual farm payments is another dominant issue, because the Environmental Working Group in Washington, D.C. has posted the amounts individual farmers are getting each year on its Web site.

The Washington Post has added fuel to that policy fire with a detailed look at individual payments in a recent series called “Harvesting Cash.”

But Lubben is among those who think a focus on individual amounts is the wrong focus. “It clouds the real debate.” And that is: “Should payments be based on production or should they be based on farms?”

Although several who testified Wednesday wanted to leave commodity portions of the farm bill as they are, optimism didn’t seem to be running high about farm policy encouraging the next generation of farmers.

Doug Nagel of Davey, father of two young sons, said he feels fortunate to have a wife who provides off-farm income. He called agriculture “too capital intensive,” and said it would be easier for him to make money at a job in Lincoln.

How about David Hilferty of Grant, father of four? “At this point, I would not recommend that any of them come back to the farm,” Hilferty said. “They can make more money elsewhere.”

In sifting through those perspectives later, Chuck Hassebrook of the Nebraska Center for Rural Affairs in Lyons reached a broader, and not very satisfying conclusion.

“I think it’s profoundly troubling,” Hassebrook said, “that there are leaders of agriculture who would say this farm bill is working well and should be extended — and, at the same time, that there is no future in agriculture.

“If there is no future in agriculture,” he said, “then this farm bill is not working.”

Reach Art Hovey at 523-4949 or at ahovey@alltel.net.


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wzp wrote on August 17, 2006 2:20 am:
" Hagel has identified an inequity that would, in simple terms, be called corruption. This is a danger of big government cut small without appropriate checks and balances. Government too loose can lose integrity and credability. It is a process problem and Hagel has yet to get to the solution. "

whatever wrote on August 17, 2006 3:30 am:
" It would be nice to know a little more about the specifics of proposals. Limiting farm payments to $250,000 seems very generous. If changing the farm bill would encourage some large farmers to sell off land and also force land prices down, then maybe some younger farmers could make a go of farming. "

RB wrote on August 17, 2006 4:30 am:
" The problem with Washington is that they would prefer to give money to large companies (presidents) and not the average farmer. We give this money to farmers to help the economy. Farmers would kill the economy if they grew to their limits, and then when the costs of planting are more than the price at market they would all die off. (Then large companies would come in and monopolies the market and make even more money.) Perhaps this is the plan in the first place... "

ron wrote on August 17, 2006 7:55 am:
" farming has become a very large social program (twice as large as welfare), these are not the same farmers of decades ago. it is about what are you taxpayers going to for me next and enough is "never" enough. "

Ed wrote on August 17, 2006 8:17 am:
" Perhaps the problems is that while we cut subsidies to farmers we spend billions to kill people in Iraq. Where would you rather spend your tax money? "

Jim wrote on August 17, 2006 8:32 am:
" The program is welfare for farmers. Period. Dave Karnes had it exactly right - we need less farmers. In fact we need to let corporations take over farming. That would be the capitalist/republican/free market ideal right? "

sm wrote on August 17, 2006 8:34 am:
" American farmers are the most efficient food source in the world. Our gov't program payments are far less than those received by farming operations in other countries. Additionally, in the U.S. the average family spends about $0.20 of very $1.00 earned on food items. The rest of the world averages over $0.40 of ever $1.00. "

Hjalmer wrote on August 17, 2006 8:54 am:
" The maximum payment needs to be dramatically reduced for the simple reason that it's good public policy whether a Republican or Democrat votes for it. Subsidizing very large farms does nothing but drive young people away because there is no way they can compete with the mega farms. The mega farms have plenty of advantages that will allow them to continue to be profitable, but mega farms don't do a thing to stabilize the population drain and the exodus of the young. As the population declines in rural areas, the small towns wither too. This farm bill does nothing but increase the exodus of the young from rural Nebraska. Let's remember the original intent of ag subsidies. They were designed to stabilize the economy and structure of all of rural America, not just provide huge income advantages to the comfortable. "

Topic wrote on August 17, 2006 9:08 am:
" This forum is about farm policy, not Iraq. Farms ARE large corporations. It may still be the 'family' farm but these are high dollar operations to farm hundreds or thousands of acres. It is not welfare, it is keeping the wheel turning in the bread basket of the country. Think of the economic impact if these guy tomorrow all decided to stop farming and work at WalMart. This countries economy would TANK. So, the fed has a vested interest is working towards a better solution that what we have now. "

Silversmith wrote on August 17, 2006 9:10 am:
" When it comes to Ag subsidies, both in the U.S. and abroad, the biggest part of the problem is us, the end-line consumer. Would you pay $10 for a gallon of milk? Or $12 for a loaf of bread? If we truly wanted our farmers to be able to operate in a "Market Driven" system, then these possibilities need to be allowed - which is, of course, something that could not be allowed to happen. If it did, folks like Chuck and Ben might not be wearing their heads much longer. Historically, that is EXACTLY what happens. Likewise, we in America, don't want farming to become a socialistic system, because - as it's part of the American economy, and all the things that means (fiscally, emotionally, and otherwise) - if farming was a "socialist" endeavor, it would prove that so-called "glorious capitalism" had failed. NEWSFLASH - there IS a middle ground between the complete capitalism and total socialism - and it's not where we're at right now. Te current farming system in the U.S. is socialist, in the worst ways, while being capitalist in also the worst ways. There is little advantage to some farmers doing well, other than their pride, these days. As David Hilferty of Grant said about his kids, "At this point, I would not recommend that any of them come back to the farm. They can make more money elsewhere.” So who is making the money in farming these days? Big Farm Corporate, that's who. Don't be surprised - and don't blame it on Republicans or Democrats. They're BOTH to blame - and it's been going this way heavily since the 80's. I'm not sure what the solution is either. But for any who suggest "letting 'the market' sort it out", I have but one thing to say to you: "So...how's that cake? By the way - seen Marie? Her head makes a GREAT soccer ball." "

tim wrote on August 17, 2006 9:16 am:
" individual farm payment limits is not the answer. the formula needs to be based on a per acre payment/quality of land/proven yeild...this is a very complex issue. large farmers have the same risk as small farmers, maybe more. an individual payment limit is class envey. farming has become big business like it or not. "

al wrote on August 17, 2006 9:24 am:
" I guess I'd like to see a seminar on farming to show why a business of farming is given a dime. If I own a business of any kind will the government(tax payers) like to subsidize it? I rarely see a farmer driving an old vehicle be it for farm or pleasure. I'm not sure what runs some farmers out of farming and when they have the big auctions they surely write of their losses then also. I wish someone would answer this questions. I might agree if I actually knew. Thanks.. "

ron wrote on August 17, 2006 9:58 am:
" It is comical to listen to grown men rationalize and justify taking money from hard working taxpayers. Let market forces dictate what a loaf of bread costs. Yeah there will be ups and downs but the consumer will cope and adjust in a free market. Hey farmers, there is a reason there is not a shoe store on every corner of downtown. "

Husker Pete wrote on August 17, 2006 10:13 am:
" Hagel is correct, but the farmers do not want to hear the truth. Wait until social security gets phased out for the baby boomers and x gen. American want government benefits but do not want to pay taxes. "

Wrong wrote on August 17, 2006 10:16 am:
" Did you forget that for the past seven years now Nebraska farmers have had to battle drought. My family's fortunate that we live in southeast Nebraska and that we've had a bit of rain (unfortunately not enough). We feel for the plight of the farmers in western Nebraska who do not have enough water to keep their crops and cattle from dying off. They face all kinds of water restrictions, and the state is not letting them dig new irrigation wells. They only get so much water and once it's gone that's it. Also when we had the price lids in the 1990s, corn prices were twice as high and that was before ethanol made large gains. When the caps were removed corn prices drastically fell. Now factor in the expenses of farm equipment, machinery repairs, chemical/herbicide/fungicide/pesticide purchases, and paying to spray the chemicals, seed purchasing, crop insurance (if you're lucky enough to afford it), and lastly factor in the expenses of raising a family, you've got a lot of expenses. Have you gone out and looked at the price for a new combine or tractor or grain truck? For the price of all three you could build a mansion. Three generations my family had farmed this land, and my brother and male cousin who could have easily ran the farm together both chose to pursue careers that will make them a decent living that sent them out of this state. The average age of nebraska farmers are increasing, these farmers can't farm for much longer, so who is going to do it? Sadly unless a young relative is eager to take over the farming, nobody wants to get in because we have poor programs in place that encourage the younger generations to start farming. I've thought about taking over the farm even though I'm a young woman, but everyday I see my father break his back on a failing corn crop and I don't know if I can do that, especially if the current drought trends continue on. Then if you look at who they're giving the money to it's really sickening. We give it to the largest farm corporations, not small nebraska farm families who can't compete with them. "

Market not the answer wrote on August 17, 2006 10:27 am:
" The way the market is playing out without the price lids of the 1990's has only harmed Nebraska farmers. They are not able to make a decent living with their living and farm production expenses. If you were to apply a free market philosophy to farming all you would end up with are a few monopoplistic farm corporations who would end up hiring out and pay the now defunct farmers to farm the same land for a lot less then what they were making, ahh brings back the days of peasentry and feudalism. Has anybody visited Garden City, Kansas? That's exactly what's going on there with the cattle industry, only they are not hiring up local farm families per se, they are hiring up illegal Hispanic immigrants who live in substandard housing and crowd the schools and hospitals. "

3rd District wrote on August 17, 2006 10:51 am:
" Al, businesses DO receive subsidies, especially here in Nebraska. Cabelas', Union Pacific, First National Bank of Omaha, and on and on. It is a measure of the success that business lobbyists have had with state senators and the Governor. Can't pay counties for housing state prisoners, but the state can subsidize ethanol and businesses with millions and millions of dollars. Tell me how us taxpayers continue to allow that to happen? "

Dr. James A. Thorson wrote on August 17, 2006 10:57 am:
" Let's get unwed mothers in Omaha together to discuss how big their welfare checks should be. "

frankie wrote on August 17, 2006 11:51 am:
" Have you forgot that the farmers pay TAXES to?? Proably more than their fair share to!!! "

Bill wrote on August 17, 2006 12:10 pm:
" I do hope these people didn't get sucked in by Hagel and his sudden interest in their plite. Don't forget, he's spreading the butter to run for President. We the third generation had to sell our farms, as every year it was a step down the ladder economically. This is an example where years ago Nebraska should have brought in industry so farmers could subsidize their income for the years of drought. This is a solution in the state I came from which isn't a drought plagued state. Nebraska has too many politicans and no, none, zilch, vision or problem solvers. Yeh, we sold our farms which we rented, but we saw the light with our parents, and left the state where there were jobs and opportunities. Now having to come back to NE, the state and Lincoln is slurping up the savings like a milk shake. 37% plus of my income goes just for taxes. The state I came from 24% of my income went for taxes. Consumer prices here are double from what I paid. Obviously people in this state don't look much past their own pockets until they are empty. Consumer prices will continue to explode by the spending power of government and corporate executives who receive millions from corporate companies to live in Calif. and fly daily to their offices in N Y. and companies give millions to executives to buy or rent fashionable apartments in the big cities, or acreages to build million dollar mansions etc. at the expense of stockholders. "

Hjalmer wrote on August 17, 2006 1:44 pm:
" 3rd District is right. LB775 has been a huge subsidy to businesses like FDR, ConAgra etc. Anybody ever notice those nice highways we provide to the truckers at taxpayer expense? Where do you suppose the airlines would land their airplanes without the airports taxpayer build. Ever hear of the home mortgage interest deduction? Without that tax subsidy you wouldn't see the kind of homes we build today. The list is long. The problem is that ag subsidies as they currently have them designed have stopped helping the problem they were designed to fix and are, instead, making the decline of rural America worse. Target the program money to start up farmers/businesses like training wheels on a bike instead of feeding businesses that are on solid footing already. "

Bert wrote on August 17, 2006 2:09 pm:
" Yeh, uhuh, how many know that Bush wants the farm subsized money to go for his, Mexico's Fox, Prime minister Paul Martin-Canada pet project that is being kept from the American TAXPAYERS? Wake up you people. "

whatever wrote on August 17, 2006 2:14 pm:
" Farmers in DROVES, vote Republican without even thinking. Republican farm policies have allowed the family farmer to go down the tubes, but they keep on electing them. The small family farm as anyone over 40 remembers, is on it's way to extinction. What we will have is large "corporate family farms" and plain old corporate farms. Your average small family farmer isn't getting anywhere approaching $250,000 in payments, and yes I know many small farmers. It's the large "corporate family farms" that disguise themselves as the "aw shucks, I'm just a small time farmer barely making ends meet", who get the bulk of the payments. You know them, they are the same guys at the coffee shops all across nebraska driving their $40,000 pickups eating donuts and drinking coffee complaining about how bad off they are. I would love to see the day again when you had many smaller farms dotting the landscape and contributing to a vibrant and truly rural landscape, but those days seem to be gone forever. Make no mistake about, big business and the republicans don't want small farmers, or small businessmen. They want large corporations running everything, with cheap immigrant labor doing the work for them. The fewer independent farmers and businessmen out there, the easier it is to control the "competition" and to maximize profits. Another note, it is true we don't subsidize our farmers to the extent that say Japan or Western Europe do, but they recognize the importance of having a large number of small family farmers to ensure they have a vibrant ag sector that is both knowledgeable about food production and will keep the food supplies coming. Large corporations controlling the majority of the food supply in the U.S. will ensure down the road that we will have higher relative food prices. One more point, it has been suggested than no other business is subsidized. That certainly isn't true. Nebraska subsidizes business daily, I think "3rd district" pointed that out. These subsidies force all of our property taxes way up and generally favor large corporations. I'd like to see a small family business get any kind of significant break from the state of Nebraska. Also, farming isn't like any other business. If I run a liquor store and there is a hail storm, it's likely I'm still going to sell liquor, if the hail is big enough and destroys my inventory, I can replace my inventory in a day and be back in business overnight. If my corn crop is hailed out, well I don't just get a new corn crop, I have to wait till next year and plant one. I think I'll stop here for now. "

Tuff wrote on August 17, 2006 2:19 pm:
" You can't help people that refuse to listen, suggestions have been made and apparently they end up in the trash can. So I feel sorry for nobody. "

what do you expect wrote on August 17, 2006 2:25 pm:
" What do you expect from a Senator like Hagel who voted against the 2002 farm bill 4 times, has repeatedly voted against emergency drought disaster assistance, and lives in Virginia? "

govt subsidies wrote on August 17, 2006 2:36 pm:
" The quickest way to get rich these days is to sell stuff or get business subsidies. We need to fix the system so we are not giving profitable billion dollar companies subsidies. "

rich wrote on August 17, 2006 5:36 pm:
" hagel is still in office? "