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Letters, 3/27: Our money's worth

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Monday, Mar 27, 2006 - 12:08:27 am CST

There was a time in the past when city councils and mayors of Nebraska cities had carte blanche to compensate municipal employees however they chose to — a practice the Journal Star and a few city leaders would seem to endorse.

This was prior to the state Legislature passing a law that required cities to compare the wages of their employees with those of other similar cities in the region so that municipal employees might receive a fair wage, not one dependent on the generosity of municipalities that, like most entities on a budget, would like to pay their employees as little as possible, so they might spend their money on other things.

This law seemed reasonable when it was passed and it still is. City jobs are often quite unique and cannot be fairly compared to private sector jobs — police, fire personnel, waste water management, city engineers and public works are just a few examples.

Lincoln enjoys an excellent quality of life, due in large part to the aforementioned employees. The axiom “you get what you pay for” holds true when it comes to wages for city employees.

The recently stated concern of creating an “elite class” that rules over the populace (by paying comparable wages to city employees) is complete poppycock and an insult to the men and women who serve this city. I suppose if the ruling class is routinely sprayed in the face by wastewater; spit on, assaulted and insulted like the officers of our comparably small police department; or called out in the middle of the night to deal with severe weather and other emergencies on a routine basis — then, by all means, we are creating a ruling class.

The city of Lincoln has always gotten its money’s worth from city employees. The quality of life in Lincoln attests to it. The law requiring comparable wages is a check and a balance — it provides a fair method of determining a fair wage. City employees are compensated as they should be, by law and in all fairness.   

Jon Sundermeier, Greenwood

All bark, no bite

Last week a news story was aired on one of the local television stations about a fellow who was doing 30 days in jail on a third offense of disturbing the peace of his neighbors with wild, unruly parties.

If that individual had instead kenneled a dog outside his house 24 hours a day and if that dog had barked in the middle of the night and disturbed the peace of his neighbors, the police would have never known his name. Not the first time the barking dog awoke his neighbors, not the third time, not the 15th time.

If his neighbors called the Lincoln police at 2:30 in the morning because this hypothetical dog had woken them up, the police would have told them, “Oh, the police do not respond to barking dog complaints.” The wide-awake neighbor would have been told to call Animal Control.

If this neighbor then called Animal Control at 2:30 in the morning, they would have discovered that Animal Control is closed at 2:30 in the morning. And if this neighbor, after a sleepless night, followed through and called Animal Control the next day during regular business hours, Animal Control would have politely listened and then sent the neighbor a form in the mail to log occurrences of the barking dog.

The bonus of all this time and effort and lost sleep is that after the neighbor had diligently noted on the log every time the dog barked and woke them up in the middle of the night, that person could use that form as toilet paper.

John Spence, Lincoln

Where are the values?

The March 15 Lincoln Journal Star described a proposal to reduce funding for family planning. Earlier, the newspaper described a proposal to reduce funding for food assistance to needy elderly.

If enacted, these proposals will increase poverty and reduce quality of life for many Americans. These lawmakers may be well meaning, but I wonder if they understand people with limited incomes and resources.

Right now I feel sad and ashamed of the government we have elected. I was taught as a small child that true Christians care about all of God’s children. Many of our government leaders are stating that they are Christians. Somehow what I am seeing and hearing is not ringing true to me.

Kathy Stastny, Lincoln

Where loyalties lie

How long is the Legislature of Nebraska going to do the bidding of the Vatican as expressed by the paid lobbyist of the Roman Catholic Church — Greg Schleppenbach — and the mouthpiece of the same church, Sen. Mike Foley?

He was supposedly elected to represent the best interests of the citizens, not the agenda of the Roman Catholic Church. His latest bill shows where his loyalties really lie — not for women but for his church. He is against any form of birth control. He would have women have babies who do not have the resources to care for them.

If a woman does not have the financial resources to take care of a child, then the state must help with food stamps, welfare, Medicaid and a host of other services. Are the citizens of Nebraska compelled to support the agenda of the Roman Catholic Church as put forward by Foley and Schleppenbach?

Natural family planning does not have a successful track record. Birth control and condom use are far more effective. The state should be subsidizing those methods in the search to cut state expenditures.

Sen. Ernie Chambers is the only person who always stands between Nebraska and the domination of our lives as dictated by the Vatican.

If the rest of the Catholic legislators want domination of the Vatican over Nebraskans, then back Foley and Schleppenbach. If you think that one religious belief system should not be dominant in state law and practices, then send Foley and his Roman Catholic agenda to the wastebasket.

Ruth C. Snyder, Lincoln

Officials are accountable

Although I’m critical of Sen. Chuck Hagel’s conduct, I found Mike McNeil’s objection to Hagel voting against investigating President Bush’s domestic spying program beyond the pale (letter, March 16).

The public knows little if nothing in terms of detail about this program. Members of both parties in the Congress are only beginning to learn some of the details of this program. And in general there is a consensus that this program should continue.

Also, it is very interesting how some are concerned when a Republican president allegedly attacks the Constitution. Democrats had no problem with former President Clinton attacking the Second Amendment, having law enforcement use military tactics against civilians, using IRS audits to target his political opponents, and perjuring himself before a grand jury.

It is high time we stop contributing to partisan fights we likely have no influence or control over and start holding all public officials accountable. 

Christopher Nollett, Lincoln

Kudos to Journal Star

Just a quick thanks for your beautiful layout about our storm in the Tuesday, March 21, Lincoln Journal Star.

The picture was outstanding and the map of the various snow depths was very factual and graphic.

Good job.

Virgil Ganzel, Lincoln


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Eric wrote on March 27, 2006 7:06 am:
" Actually, it's not a problem, Ruth, because congress is already cutting food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, etc. We don't care about the poor and helpless anymore, right? All we care about is if the rich gets their tax cuts ^_~ . "

Rogr wrote on March 27, 2006 7:34 am:
" Interesting Jon, that you are from Greenwood and you are giving us in Lincoln a lecture on how we should spend money. Move to Lincoln and pay the taxes involved and then look at it through those eyes. I would guess that you are probably an employee of the Lincoln Water System, maybe not. Even then, if you live in Greenwood, how do you know what we in Lincoln feel we need or don't need. The Ambulance system was run by a private organization and once the Fire Department took over, the city payed 100 percent of the bill, with little or no improvement in the service, in fact, the city gave up some service to private organizations because it was not profitable, where before the company that handled the ambulance service still could do both areas. City employee wages are just plain too high, most private companies in Lincoln, do not pay as well. It is no wonder that employees from the city do not want to retire as they get a 2 for one match on anything that they, the employee put into their retirement matched by the city 2 for one. That is just one example. Many, Many more. "

Bundy wrote on March 27, 2006 10:04 am:
" Rogr-If working for the city is so great, perhaps you could fill out an application to work for the city and reap the wondeful benefits. You could help with the O street construction project and it would get done faster. Or maybe you could fill potholes all day long. Looking through your eyes, you obviously do not think you are getting what you pay for. Try to help out instead of complain. Your comment of "Many, Many more", just leads me to believe that you don't really know. "

Kurt wrote on March 27, 2006 11:18 am:
" Ruth, You're information about NFP is incorrect. Please check the facts. NFP is 98% effective in helping couples get pregnant or to avoid pregnancy. It also has ZERO side effect. You're attack on the Catholic Church is also misguided. Pro-life values are not exclusive to the Catholic Church. I personally know people of several faiths (including an atheist) who are pro-life. We support what Greg S. and Senator Foley do because we are pro-life, not because they are Catholic. Foley's district SUPPORTS what he is doing. If you don't, contact your senator! Voice your opinion and GET YOUR FACTS straight. first! "

No more benefits? wrote on March 27, 2006 11:45 am:
" I can't help wonder if Rogr thinks we should all make minimum wage and give up all benefits - that way all jobs are created equal. Certainly, instead of creating some job competition and making employers decide what is a fair and just compensation packet for their positions we should eliminate productivity and motivation (and jealousy?) and let every employer pay the bare minimum allowed by law. Why encourage employers to treat employees better when we can disparage them for treating them well? Then he won't have to worry that what he's getting might be less than what his neighbor gets - even if it's deserved. "

Laura wrote on March 27, 2006 12:04 pm:
" Ruth - Yes indeed, you are incorrect regarding the effectiveness of NFP. That is how my husband and I have not become pregnant. I have never used any other form of birth control in my entire life. It can be taught correctly to anyone, it's just their responsibility to know when they can/can't have sex. I get so sick of people bashing Catholics on everything. It's really time that morals play a part in our lives, and I apologize to you that Catholics apparently portray a life of morality and talk about it more than others. "

Rogr wrote on March 27, 2006 1:39 pm:
" No more benefits. It is not that I want anyone to make minimum wage with no benefits, however, when the city budget reflects a short fall of 6 million, what am I to believe. I am not saying that employees are not productive nor have I ever said that, I have said that when the employee benefit package is more than some full time people make as a wage, something seems a little sideways. Again not being jealous etc, as you say I am, I will only work a few more years and then it will be entirely your problem. It just seems rather crossways when the budget can not be balanced, street repairs can not be made, land can not be purchased and etc, without passing bond issue after bond issue, somewhere, something is not right. Employees deserve a fair wage and employees deserve benefits, it is just unreal that several, if not many, of the city employees receive 80,000 to 100,000 with a benefit package of 15,000 to 16,000 per year and still want an increase and will not retire because it is so lavish. I would not retire either. The answer is not in saying I am a wonderboy that has no feelings, because I certainly do, as I have been up and down the gamit of wages throughout my life, and I have made more and less depending upon my productivity. Maybe the city does need to put a productivity factor on wages, such as creating a factor that would allow an employee to receive more wages when and if his or her department or job actually was done to the point of saving the tax payers more and not needing to raise taxes or pass bond issues but actually lower them, then I would not care how much they were paid. Something has to give or the taxes payers will be broke sooner or later. "

Katelyn wrote on March 27, 2006 2:14 pm:
" Kurt, not all of us in Foley's district support him. I'm sick of his one-sided views. As for NFP, I once had a doctor tell me the best way to UNINTENTIONALLY get pregnant, is to practice NFP. It's not foolproof, as yourself and Laura make it to be. If there are no other options than NFP, pregnancy rates are going to rise in teenagers as they aren't going to be disciplined in NFP 'rules.' Let condoms and other methods be available. "

Interesting wrote on March 27, 2006 2:20 pm:
" Jon does not work for Public Works, he is the Police Captain in charge of the Northwest team! Interesting that someone who is paid $84,779 (according to LJS) would elect to live elsewhere. Maybe its the lower taxes? "

Alan wrote on March 27, 2006 5:33 pm:
" I agree with "Interesting"...Capt. Sundermeier should be required to live in the city that pays his high wages. Of course the police dept. is underpaid during the times when the officers that are actually doing what they are paid to do, but statistics from the Chief would show that there are many who are just there for the paycheck and take what calls for service they get. Very few actually are proactive to prevent crime or stop speeders/drunk drivers etc. Personally I think that all city paid employees should reside within the city limits.... "

Lindsay wrote on March 27, 2006 9:38 pm:
" NFP works best on a woman who has regular menstural cycles...and not all women have that luxury. "

Phyllis wrote on March 28, 2006 6:35 am:
" Lindsay- NFP is no longer the "Rhythm" method. It has changed significantly over the past 20 years. Your cycle has nothing to do with it anymore. Without getting terribly graphic here, let me just say that there are changes a woman can be taught to recognize which occur in her body during certain phases of her reproductive cycle. NFP is also a wonderful method to use when having difficulty becoming pregnant. Seek the truth, always. "

Kurt wrote on March 28, 2006 7:29 am:
" Thanks for your feedback Katelyn. I didn't state that everyone in Foley's district supports him, but the majority does, or he would not have been elected. You don't like him, the get active in your district and work to get voters to vote him out. As for pregnancy rates risting, I do not support teaching teenagers NFP. I don't support teaching birth control. I was raised to treat sexuality as a gift to be shared with the woman I married. Sexual activity should always be open to the creation of life. Don't get me wrong. In our culture, abstinance is tough. Teens are under pressure from all sides to be active sexually. Birth control is just condoning the behavior without any consequences. You don't want your kids drinking alcohol and doing drugs, sex shouldn't be any different. "

peb wrote on March 28, 2006 8:30 am:
" Here's another Foley constituent that does NOT support Foley for many reasons. NFP has probably caused more abortions that anything else. "

Bill wrote on March 28, 2006 10:59 am:
" peb, Your lack of knowledge is showing. Most couples that use NFP are Catholic, and as such would welcome even an unexpected pregnancy. "

Allen T. wrote on March 28, 2006 11:30 am:
" Peb: People that would chose to engage in NFP for religious reasons are the same people that typically oppose abortion. NFP is not randomly having sex and hoping you don't get pregnant because you didn't use a condom. That’s called irresponsible sexual activity or ISA, since when like acronyms so much. ISA causes unwanted pregnancies that result in abortions while NFP may cause unwanted pregnancies that result in children. "

Phyllis wrote on March 28, 2006 12:40 pm:
" Hello peb. Please cite the exact source of your statistics. This information came from where? Thank you. "

Mel wrote on March 28, 2006 1:49 pm:
" Lindsay - Natural Family Planning is NOT dependant on a woman having regular cycles. It is dependant on a woman observing and understanding her body's fertility signals. Doesn't matter if you have 24 day cycles, PCOS, 45 day cycles or are in breastfeeding infertility. You should look more closely into the SymptoThermal, Creighton FertilityCare Model or Billings Ovulation Method. You will find that there are well documented studies showing effective rates as high as 99% - when used correctly. NFP is no longer the Rhythm method. "

older and wiser wrote on March 28, 2006 2:14 pm:
" peb, I see your ignorance has spilled into another blog. Oh goodie. According to the Guttmacher Institute studies, the failure rate for NFP is lower than several other methods. And they don't even usually cite the basal temp/ cervical mucous method- just the rhythm method which is not as reliable. Get your facts straight just once. Oh yea, and 74% of women cite having abortions because their pregnancies are merely an inconvenience. God help us all. "

Angie wrote on March 29, 2006 7:31 am:
" Katelyn- certainly you misunderstood you doctor's comments about NFP. In fact, fertility doctors use the exact NFP methods in REVERSE to help folks achieve a pregnancy. Must work, huh? NO form of birth control is "fool proof" as I'm sure you are aware. Not the pill, not condoms, nothing. The ONLY way to avoid unwanted pregnancy with 100% effectiveness is to refrain from having sex. Wow, pretty hard to figure out, huh? "

Gina wrote on March 29, 2006 8:33 am:
" I am astounded by the ignorance displayed by Katelyn, Lindsay and peb in regards to their own bodies! Oh my gosh, do you gals have some education lacking! I also find it unbelievable that in a society as "advanced" as ours, we have not a clue how to teach our daughters that it is OK to be a virgin at 17, 15, 13 or even 12! Moms just toss them a condom and tell them to go have fun, basically. "Well, they're going to have sex anyway." Sure they are, if you condone it! It's just easier than trying to actually TEACH them anything, or instill anything resembling moral values, I guess. The deplorable abortion rate in this country tells the rest of the world- look how stupid we are!!! We can't figure out where babies come from. How sad. "